Writing is tough. I had a few weeks following the end of Spring semester to come to the blog and write a few things.
All I got out was the monstrously tedious Brett Barnes entry. It was a damned good one and worth it.
Now, I have no time again, as I am taking courses at the moment: anatomy and more mathematics. Neither one is conducive to allowing free time.
The unfortunate happened following my latest entry: I was hit with writer's block. To the skeptics, it exists and, if you've been writing for a number of years as I have, it is not at all a foreign concept. I had myself ready to write a new edition to the Jacko saga but I was hit with a blockade: I just couldn't get out of it the whole of last week.
So, I have nothing new to offer.
My promised entries on Michael Jackson's books and the settlement, just to name a few, will come...just not now. For my entries on the books, I thought I would wait until I got my hands on more of the materials. And I am getting my hands on more materials.
But I must mostly blame it on writer's block. I even crumpled topics written on paper to pull from a hat in hopes it would get me motivated, get my juices flowing. I scribbled notes and notes but it was pointless.
Now, that last frustrating week has passed and I am busy again.
I will try to crank something useful out when I have time. I don't want to say, "Please, wait until July," but that might be the case. I hope you all appreciate the 'head's up'.
Some parting thoughts:
A while ago, I thought it was a good idea to write a post on La Toya Jackson. As we all know, for the past two decades, Michael Jackson's sister has been all over the place with regard to her brother and family, saying Michael was guilty and her family was abusive, and then saying he was innocent, that her family was simply 'tough' for the children's own good, and that all of her critiques were orchestrated by her late husband, Jack Gordon.
La Toya is a hard individual to adequately pin down. I find her incredibly truthful and honest but I also believe she is a fragile and mentally broken woman, the inevitable result of a life of victimization. This, of course, makes it difficult for one to decipher whether her 'tales' are true or false, false in the sense she is simply 'parroting' the stock Jackson tripe.
I know La Toya Jackson told the truth about her family, and there was never any muscling done by Jack Gordon to tell 'tall tales'; if any muscling was done, it was to get her to 'spill the beans'!
Her anecdotes about abuse were verified by Michael Jackson himself, who, in spite of his knack for deception, not only consistently stuck to the tales of beatings and emotional cruelty dealt out by his father (although he did not mention the sexual abuse) but also helpfully demonstrated the result of such treatment in his own life: the sexually inappropriate relationships with young boys and the inability to maintain successful relationships with other adults.
Her anecdotes about abuse were verified by Michael Jackson himself, who, in spite of his knack for deception, not only consistently stuck to the tales of beatings and emotional cruelty dealt out by his father (although he did not mention the sexual abuse) but also helpfully demonstrated the result of such treatment in his own life: the sexually inappropriate relationships with young boys and the inability to maintain successful relationships with other adults.
A recent interview with Janet Jackson on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight, Janet Jackson implicated both parents--Joe and Katherine Jackson--as 'disciplinarians', just as La Toya Jackson stated in her book and on the various talk shows she went on:
MORGAN: Yes. I mean, would you say, when you look back on your relationship with your father, is he predominantly a good man, do you think? How would you position him?
JACKSON: I think my father means well. I think he means well and wants nothing but the best for his kids. I just think that the way he went about certain things wasn't the best way. But, you know, it got the job done. And that's because of maybe how he was raised, doing what he thought was best, not knowing any better. So you know --
MORGAN: You tell the story in the book on one occasion you cite when you're getting out of the bathtub and he whacks you. How old were you then?
JACKSON: I was very young. I remember being younger than 8, let me put it like that.
MORGAN: That's pretty bad.
JACKSON: Yes. And I can't remember what it was that I did. I can't remember if I truly deserved it. My father has never touched me aside from that time. He's never put --
MORGAN: But he did the boys quite a lot.
JACKSON: Yes.
MORGAN: He's got a physically disciplinarian --
JACKSON: Yes. When my -- when my brother Randy and I, when we came along, I think my parents got kind of tired having nine kids and raising these children. I think they became -- and everyone says you guys get -- you guys have it so easy, my other brothers and sisters would say, and my parents were a lot more lenient with us, and I thought they were very strict.
MORGAN: Does he -- does he ever tell you that he loves you?
JACKSON: Yes, he has.Of course, one does not get the full effect of the interview if one missed her pregnant pauses when this subject was broached. Janet Jackson predictably sugar-coated her upbringing but this is not surprising behavior, by any means, from a Jackson child.
But, again, note that she implicated both Katherine and Joe Jackson in abusing the children, the same thing La Toya had claimed in the 1990s.
Additionally, she added she has no relationship with her father, similar to Michael Jackson:
MORGAN: How do you get along with him now? Honestly.
JACKSON: Well, you think I'm going to sit here and lie to you?
MORGAN: Maybe.
(LAUGHTER)
JACKSON: That's wrong. We don't speak that much.
MORGAN: When did you last talk to him?
JACKSON: Honestly it's not often. Not --
MORGAN: Weeks? Months?
JACKSON: It's been -- oh, no. It hasn't been months, not like that. A few weeks ago.
MORGAN: Do you feel sad about that? Do you feel sad you don't have a relationship with him that is better?
JACKSON: Not anymore. I used to. [...]
If we take note of statement analysis, Janet's answering his initial question with a question is a 'buying time' tactic, which allows the interviewee a few to think of a more adequate answer; usually this denotes that a sensitive or difficult topic has been broached. To Janet's credit, she continues on truthfully, indicating that she not only has very little contact with her father but that she also has no regrets about it.
Can one blame her? While particulate affection for his children may reside somewhere within Joe, it is masked nearly completely by a cold and clinical view of them as products, or, in Michael's case, embarrassment and maybe even utter contempt for that proverbial 'black sheep' of the Jackson clan.
Joe Jackson never cared about Michael. The cruelty is despicable.
All of this is important in understanding La Toya: she was never lying about her abusive parents, including Katherine. To whit, the Jackson children have expressed affection for 'Mother' but, as an astute observer, one has to wonder why Katherine simply told Joe Jackson, in the midst of his beating Michael, that he was going to kill the boy, not that he should stop and never do it again.
At the very least, the Jackson matriarch was an accomplice.
Let's not confuse this with 'discipline', the explanation-du-jour given by Jackson children to justify such maltreatment. The years of terrible abuse have marred indelibly most of the Jackson sons, demonstrated in their complicated and failed relationships with women.
But let's return to La Toya Jackson.
As previously stated, I disbelieve La Toya Jackson was telling fibs about her family in the 1990s simply because I find her to be an honest person; the caveat of this with regard to La Toya is that she is capable of honestly repeating the talking points by given by whoever is running the show.
This does not apply to Jack Gordon, by my estimation, simply because Jack Gordon could not have known most of the stuff she revealed.
Yes, regardless of the numerous things La Toya has said since escaping Jack Gordon's 'clutches', I am saying she has always been the sole originator of the alleged 'stories' about her life as a Jackson and about Michael.
Most essential to point out, however, is that La Toya Jackson has always wanted to defend her brother, even if what she stated next was diametrically opposed to that internal drive. She would say something to the extent of, "I don't believe my brother would do such a thing," but following it up with, "I just don't know," and "I couldn't say."
In December 1993, La Toya Jackson gave her infamous public statement broadcasted from Tel Aviv, Israel where she implicated Michael in the alleged molestations of boys.
To be fair, La Toya Jackson does not reveal exactly what the money was for; by her mother's reactions, of course, coupled with the fact former secretary, Jolie Levine, frequently saw Michael Jackson in bed with Jimmy Safechuck during the Bad Tour and, as a result, considered her boss to be a 'chicken hawk', we can reasonably conjecture that these checks seen by La Toya and her mother were the gifts and monies of legend given to the parents of Michael's 'special friends'.
I should mention that I happened to see an old recording my late grandmother made of La Toya Jackson on Geraldo Rivera's 1990s television talk show; she revealed many intriguing things. Interesting to note about the tape was that La Toya mentioned bleaching creams Miko Brando used to fetch for Michael; she stated she would frequently tell her brother that they could be carcinogenic and harmful. She also stated he was not injecting himself to make his skin white, which had been a rumor at the time.
This is in direct opposition to the lie peddled by Michael Jackson's defense attorneys in 2004, who tried to claim that the blood stains on Michael Jackson's underwear were from injections of a medication to deal with his 'vetiligo' (sic), as attorney Susan Yu wrote. Having told that lie, one can assume that the alleged 'contamination' of these blood stains by cocaine claimed in a later document--the idea that cocaine metabolites were not excreted in his blood but rather cocaine in its pure form was simply on the stain--was also a lie!
Michael Jackson was snorting cocaine. This is the most simple and most logical explanation for why he'd have cocaine on his belongings or in his blood.
In 1995, La Toya Jackson, coiffed in a blond wig, sat down for a bizarre interview with Inside Edition, still clinging to her accusations that her brother was a pedophile.
Similarly to Staikos, that Miko Brando also abided by the "keep your kids away from Jacko" guideline, given that he has always had positive things to say about Michael, makes one wonder how well known Michael's attraction to boys was to employees besides the Neverland Five, Bill Bray, and Bob Jones. I thought the following photo caption from Victor Gutierrez's book Michael Jackson Was My Lover curiously corroborated the statement given by Brando:
As previously stated, I disbelieve La Toya Jackson was telling fibs about her family in the 1990s simply because I find her to be an honest person; the caveat of this with regard to La Toya is that she is capable of honestly repeating the talking points by given by whoever is running the show.
This does not apply to Jack Gordon, by my estimation, simply because Jack Gordon could not have known most of the stuff she revealed.
Yes, regardless of the numerous things La Toya has said since escaping Jack Gordon's 'clutches', I am saying she has always been the sole originator of the alleged 'stories' about her life as a Jackson and about Michael.
Most essential to point out, however, is that La Toya Jackson has always wanted to defend her brother, even if what she stated next was diametrically opposed to that internal drive. She would say something to the extent of, "I don't believe my brother would do such a thing," but following it up with, "I just don't know," and "I couldn't say."
In December 1993, La Toya Jackson gave her infamous public statement broadcasted from Tel Aviv, Israel where she implicated Michael in the alleged molestations of boys.
La Toya later claimed on Larry King Live in March 2003 this was farcical and she had been forced to read from a cue card written by Jack Gordon:
KING: One other thing on Michael. You did once criticize him in December in a news conference in Tel Aviv. You said you won't be silently (sic) collaborator of his crimes against small, innocent children. What did you mean?
L. JACKSON: Management.
KING: You were instructed to say that?
L. JACKSON: Exactly.
KING: No, explain that to me.
L. JACKSON: Actually, during that particular time in Israel, I believe it was, yes -- we were going there and I had no idea why we were going to Israel. He told me I need to go on vacation, so he went to Israel and we got to the hotel, Larry, and at the hotel all of these cameras were everywhere and I, of course, was in the limo and no makeup on, nothing and I said, Gee, I didn't know that they were having an award show here at the hotel. And I thought it was Academy Awards or some thing because photographers were every where.
He never told me any thing. And we got there and they were screaming my name and he gave me the paper and said, Here. And I put the glasses on and he said, Read this to the public.
KING: And this was -- And you said, "I cannot and will not be silent collaborator of his crimes against small, innocent children. I think Michael needs help." This has not been -- "This has been going to since 1981. It's not just on children."
It also said, "Forget about the stupid star. Forget about the icon. If he were any other man sleeping with boys you wouldn't like him."
L. JACKSON: I didn't know if it would go that far, but...
KING: You were reading that.
L. JACKSON: Yes, off of a card from what he -- I had never seen it before in my life -- it's like -- and he says, You better read it.
KING: Wow.
L. JACKSON: Management, meaning that that control and that power, which is something that I have taken all of this time out to stray away from. I don't need that to be manipulated that (sic) in my life.
KING: How did you let yourself get that?
L. JACKSON: You know what, Larry? I think about that today and I say, Jeez. I think it comes from growing up in a religious family not really knowing the world, not really knowing how people are and how people are and how they will manipulate you and use you and force you. It was a very, very abusive situation.
KING: And he could manipulate -- even into criticizing and attacking your brother?
L. JACKSON: It was very abusive and it's things that should not be said, things that you keep to yourself, but it was done.
But I'm so happy now because I'm better because I'm in a much better position. I'm in a positive space. And I want to keep it that way. I don't like to dwell on that. It's the past.
I do not believe a word of it. Although I find the handy deception detection technique of statement analysis to be generally applicable to most people, La Toya is a hard woman to read. The only thing one must do is try to find corroboration to her statements.
And, again, La Toya mentioned things that would be unknown to her then-husband.
I believe La Toya's statement from Tel Aviv is one of the most powerful statements against Michael Jackson with regard to his molestation woes. She revealed what she knew, knowledge that could only come from her being a Jackson.
Later on, she gave an interesting interview to Katie Couric from the Today Show, once again tight-roping between defense of her brother and telling what she knows. Please take note that La Toya has always been upfront about what she knows and what she does not know.
It should be noted that Couric's hostility towards La Toya was rooted in the public's fealty to Michael Jackson and the Jackson family. All of this is, of course, is demonstrative of irreproachable celebrity credibility.
Remember, most of the American public believed Michael Jackson was a victim of 'extortion' in 1993.
Remember, most of the American public believed Michael Jackson was a victim of 'extortion' in 1993.
By the next year, La Toya Jackson was giving more specifics. According to a transcript referred to in Diane Dimond's Be Careful Who You Love, La Toya Jackson appeared on a talk show manned by Geraldo Rivera in February 21, 1994 and spoke of the checks she'd seen as referenced to in her Tel Aviv statement. From pages 36-37:
"Why are you so cinvinced in your head that he is guilty?"
"Because of what I've seen, because of what I know, because of what my mother has done,"... "Because of what she showed me. Because of the things that she says to me about Michael, that I refused to believe at the time. My mother actually was screaming for me one day, and I ran into the room. I--frantically--I thought something was wrong, something had happened. And she was showing me this check and I said, 'Yeah, so. What about it?' And she says, 'Well, look at it.' And the check, of course, was one and a lot of zeros behind it. And she says, 'Latoya, this is one million dollars!' I said, 'So?' And she goes, 'But look who it's written to.' And, of course, at that particular time it was... Written to the last name of the little boy that he was with all that time. But it was written to the father, and not to the little boy. It was in the father's name. And [Mother] called [Michael] a very bad name. There was another check behind that, and I said, 'Mother, please, let's leave.' I said, 'We shouldn't be in here I don't want this.'"
"And you recognize the name?"
"Yes."
"All right. Don't tell us the name, but describe the person to whom it was written--the father."
"I don't know the father."
"Was he a show business person?"
"No. The father, supposedly, is a garbage collector--or, was a garbage collector, I should say, at that particular time."As noted by Dimond, this boy was Jimmy Safechuck.
These photos are beyond disturbing, especially when considered with the fact Michael Jackson was accused numerous times of sexually abusing his 'special friends', not to mention he owned books of featuring nude young boys; not atypical of couple in love, Michael Jackson shows a possessiveness for his young 'playmate'. The photo on the bottom was used in a newsletter by the NAMBLA organization.
To be fair, La Toya Jackson does not reveal exactly what the money was for; by her mother's reactions, of course, coupled with the fact former secretary, Jolie Levine, frequently saw Michael Jackson in bed with Jimmy Safechuck during the Bad Tour and, as a result, considered her boss to be a 'chicken hawk', we can reasonably conjecture that these checks seen by La Toya and her mother were the gifts and monies of legend given to the parents of Michael's 'special friends'.
I should mention that I happened to see an old recording my late grandmother made of La Toya Jackson on Geraldo Rivera's 1990s television talk show; she revealed many intriguing things. Interesting to note about the tape was that La Toya mentioned bleaching creams Miko Brando used to fetch for Michael; she stated she would frequently tell her brother that they could be carcinogenic and harmful. She also stated he was not injecting himself to make his skin white, which had been a rumor at the time.
This is in direct opposition to the lie peddled by Michael Jackson's defense attorneys in 2004, who tried to claim that the blood stains on Michael Jackson's underwear were from injections of a medication to deal with his 'vetiligo' (sic), as attorney Susan Yu wrote. Having told that lie, one can assume that the alleged 'contamination' of these blood stains by cocaine claimed in a later document--the idea that cocaine metabolites were not excreted in his blood but rather cocaine in its pure form was simply on the stain--was also a lie!
Michael Jackson was snorting cocaine. This is the most simple and most logical explanation for why he'd have cocaine on his belongings or in his blood.
In 1995, La Toya Jackson, coiffed in a blond wig, sat down for a bizarre interview with Inside Edition, still clinging to her accusations that her brother was a pedophile.
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La Toya, as it bears repeating, has since altered her opinion on her brother, Michael. She now believes him to be innocent.
However, one should look at all of her statements. It was convenient for La Toya Jackson to feign having been a victim of brainwashing when she was suddenly alone and in need of allies; so simple was it for her to return to the Jackson nest and claim it had all been a terrible lie.
But how could she have possibly told stories about her family and about Michael Jackson that went on to be effectively corroborated by other accounts and events if all of it was made up? There is little doubt in my mind that La Toya Jackson was manipulated by Jack Gordon to make money off of Jackson family dirt; however, I do not believe, despite La Toya's mea culpas, that she was forced to tell untruths about her family and brother.
She simply was 'forced' to tell secrets. Recall that I mentioned Katherine Jackson got Howard Mann, a Jackson business partner, to destroy a 'salacious' piece of property found in the Michael Jackson storage haul obtained from Henry Vaccaro. Tabloid magazines had offered to pay seven-figures (millions) for this since-destroyed mystery item.
There are tons of Jackson secrets, apparently.
Michael Jackson's fans take her 'change' as evidence she had always been lying. And, for sure, my belief in that she told the truth about her family and her brother in the 1990s can be seen as the flipside of the same coin. However, again, given the corroborating evidence supporting La Toya Jackson, I believe it's not exactly the 'same thing'.
Additionally, sort of tangential to unimpeachable witnesses like Jolie Levine, according to a Prosecution brief with regard to character witnesses for Michael Jackson, former Neverland employees Norma Staikos and Miko Brando stated they would not allow their own children to be left alone with Michael Jackson. The statements would be used against Michael if the defense wanted to bring out individuals vouching for his 'good character'.
The accounts are interesting.
It is well known that Staikos fled the United States for Greece, her native country, before she was ever able to be questioned by law enforcement investigating the Jordie Chandler allegations. It was only following the 1994 settlement with the Chandlers that she returned to testify before the investigating grand jury; simply, given that the Chandlers were silenced by the multimillion dollar payout, she did not have to reveal anything about the young boys Michael Jackson entertained.
That she would not allow her own children with Michael Jackson is interestingly corroborated. According to Orietta Murdoch, Staikos suggested she keep her son away from Michael; from page 148 of Be Careful Who You Love:
In quiet conversation, there was talk among the office staff about all those extravagant gifts Jackson doled out to the boys, the ones [Norma] Staikos called his "little boyfriends." They'd talk about his sense of possessiveness toward them, too. At one point, Staikos even warned Murdoch to keep close watch on her own son--and never leave the boy alone with the star. Staikos never explained why, and Murdoch was too afraid to ask any questions.
Murdoch said she took Staikos's warning seriously and never brought her son to the office when she believed Jackson was going to be there.Apparently, Staikos was giving out the advice by which she also abided. According to this woefully short article abstract, guards suing Michael Jackson alleged that Norma Staikos also functioned as a person who arranged for payouts to the parents of Michael's 'special friends'.
Similarly to Staikos, that Miko Brando also abided by the "keep your kids away from Jacko" guideline, given that he has always had positive things to say about Michael, makes one wonder how well known Michael's attraction to boys was to employees besides the Neverland Five, Bill Bray, and Bob Jones. I thought the following photo caption from Victor Gutierrez's book Michael Jackson Was My Lover curiously corroborated the statement given by Brando:
This all is just a few things to think about until I find some time to write.
And, yes, I did write this in one sitting, in spite of my writer's block. This piece was exponentially less difficult to write than the others. Besides, I am again trying to gather my materials for the books entries.
Be back soon.
~ Desiree, P.I.
473 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 473 of 473The fans think that Evan's attack on Jordie 2 months after the verdict was a sign that Jordie wanted to "tell the truth" and that Evan tried to stop him by assaulting him. Basically, Jordie had wanted to speak out because of the not guilty verdict, in their minds.
How could they assume to know what the argument was about or what was the dynamic between Jordie and his father? Frankly, it's sick to assume every little move they make is over Wacko Jacko.
Ray Chandler is right, unfortunately, although if one was to research they would see that a lot of the 1993 evidence, like the photos and description and books, etc, was strongly petitioned by the prosecution for inclusion in their case in chief. Which they wouldn't do it it wasn't good evidence. But while rational people know that not guilty doesn't equal found innocent, many people are willing to just forget that the whole child molestation episodes even happened, to just "focus on his music". But the boy loving is a huge part of his legacy, and I for one cannot forget it. That's why I don't listen to his music because the whole thing turns my stomach (also the bleached black man thing turns my stomach, too). Actually I think that may be a reason why the Aaron Cater story fizzled so quickly because people don't want to call a dead man a pedophile.
Suzy, those quotes are interesting. I bet a lot of musicians, especially the white ones, believe that Mike was a pedophile. Sorry to say, but many black entertainers (except Katt Williams, notably) turn a blind eye to Mike's pedo legacy because he's black. It's shameful.
Of course MJ fans began the slaughter on his facebook and twitter. Some are not only MJ fans but also his and those of course can´t hate him completely. One of them said that him and his band are assholes by nature so she doesn´t pay much attention.
I just don't understand why the fans get so mad. It's just his opinion. It's not like he has inside information about Mike being a pedo or anything. You'd expect this coming from outspoken rock musicians. Newsflash, fans: not everyone thinks Mike was great. By definition rockers can't stand corny popstars, LOL. Not that surprising.
"Basically, Jordie had wanted to speak out because of the not guilty verdict, in their minds."
LMAO. So after MJ was found not guilty, Jordan felt the need to "clear his name?" You gotta love fan logic.
I have to find this thread I read on a fan forum once. It was some girl from Georgia bragging about how she was stalking Gavin. At one point she even claimed to hack into Star's student records, but when other MJ fans told her that wasn't a good idea, she started backpedaling and said that part was a joke. They're such creepers!
Ladies look who talked about Aaron:
Brett Barnes 15 iulie la 11:29
i don't have an opinion of him. whether he said those things or they were fabricated, they still remain lies.
I saw it in a board, but I checked his facebook page and I found nothing?
Suzy, you're our little spy! lol
Maybe it was a private message? It's hilarious that they feel compelled to contact him about it. Of course Brett, of all people, is going to stand by his man and say Aaron's revelations are untrue. After all, Brett's that super duper special friend who quit his job and left his parents' basement to fly 15 hours to defend MJ.
I think if anyone cracks, it will be Wade. He wasn't nearly as enthusiastic about defending MJ. Plus he's a father now so he must realize how inappropriate MJ's behavior was with children. Of course, if Wade did come forward, he would have to acknowledge that he perjured himself in court...I doubt that will ever happen.
LOL it doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would Jordie Chandler, after declining to testify against him in a court of law not want to go to the media after the fact and reveal that he was put up to lie about being molested? And the fans believe this theory is viable and that it was Evan's plan to murder Jordie because of it. LMAO! What makes sense to them in their little circle hardly makes sense in the real world.
It was some girl from Georgia bragging about how she was stalking Gavin. At one point she even claimed to hack into Star's student records
I don't know why I find this immensely funny. Hacking into Star's records? LMAO! I almost feel more sorry for this pathetic soul being so head over heels obsessed with a bleached pedophile than for Gavin and Star being harassed. You have to be full-blown crazy to like someone you've never met so much that you're willing to break the law and violate someone's civil rights.
LOL at Brett! Seriously, he is making himself look really dumb by trying to say Aaron's anecdotes are lies. How the hell would he know? He's probably just jealous that Aaron was a young hairless 15 while he was basically past his prime since he was in his twenties! LOL. A pedo loses interest really quickly.
Frenchie,
Brett is a father? I didn´t know it. How old are he now?
LOL a spy. I can´t spy anymore on Paul Camuso´s page like I used to do. He closed the wall. Maybe because of Jason´s case.
Jessica,
It was you who claimed to have heard the Glenda Tapes? I just read that there´s no audio of it?
Re: Brett Barnes, a man found my site and emailed me a few weeks back. He had searched "Michael Jackson Jordie Chandler rubba" or something like that. Although we can never verify the believability of some random person on the Internet (I am the eternal skeptic), he stated he had met Michael Jackson when he was 13-years-old or so and that Jacko was interested in him and remained interested in him until he was about 15-years-old.
He didn't claim to be a molestation victim or anything like that. Nevertheless, I found him to be interesting.
This is what he'd wrote:
"Re: M.J. The problem is, people think that pedophiles molest every child they see...they do not. they carefully pick and choose which children they like. When I was 13 I ran into M.j in Nov. 1982 in L.A. I can tell you that he took a keen interest in me until I was almost 15. I did not hear from him after May 1984. There were others during the Thriller years that he termed "special friends" OR rubbas.
If you watch Mj's private home movies on youtube you will see a scene where Mike is in his upstairs bedroom at his parents home in encino, a boy is filming while mj is talking about his short film Thriller that he is working on...sometime in October 1983...M.j refers to this boy as 'RUBBA" ...which was also the name that Mike gave to Gavin and JOrdan years later in 1992 and 2002. I can tell you that Michael did love to give poems to his special friends that had a romantic tone to them. Too much money has exchanged hands for more people to come out and speak.
I also feel that people think that pedophiles only do harm to children...when in reality they have a misguided affection for children that sometimes leads to sexual contact with minors that feels completly normal and healthy to the adult doing the actions.
Brett Barnes...Jimmy Safechuck...Jordan Chandler...Gavin and the other boy whos mother worked as a maid at neverland...they took the goodies that came along with the pain later. Maybe some of them felt that Mj did more good than harm and did not want to be known as the boys who were molested by Michael. Having dealt with Michael...I can understand that most boys or even men never come out and discuss these things...let alone about someone that so many idolize. Thanks for the postings.
Robert."
He later wrote this:
"I was just 13 back then. I did not even know who he was at first because I did not listen to his music. The infatuation was strictly on his part. I do know that he also had young men around him at times also; not exclusively young boys all the time. Elvis Presley was the reverse...he started pursuing Priscella his future wife when she was but 14 years old. Elvis and Michael were what is now classified as Hebephiles. 2 of Americas most famous singers had extreme interests romantically with young children....go figure.
Brett Barnes will never admit to anything. He was obsessed with Michael and would always dress like him and follow him around like a puppy dog when he was a minor. I was never like that."
I agree with him with regard to Brett Barnes. I believe Brett IS obsessed with Michael Jackson because of their sexual relationship. I thought Brett's denial to my last post was absolutely stunning in how obvious the admission was that he was actually an abuse victim.
Brett will never say anything negative about Michael Jackson because I truly believe Brett is in love with Jacko.
Suzy:
Wade is the one who's the father, not Brett. Brett is gay. (LOL -- I couldn't help myself :-))
Frenchie:
"After all, Brett's that super duper special friend who quit his job and left his parents' basement to fly 15 hours to defend MJ."
*flatlines*
I don't want to be like the fans who talk about the victims but it kind of upsets you that someone like Brett Barnes, who was so obviously a molestation victim, would say someone is lying.
Why is he protecting Michael Jackson? I agree with you: if any former 'special friend' would crack, it would be Wade Robson.
From Joy Robson's testimony, you know that Wade was pimped to Michael. I have the feeling he just couldn't take the sexual 'games' Michael put him up to do after a while and started sleeping in the guest units.
I always go back to the so-called 'shady' Neverland eyewitnesses: not all of them are liars. We know that Ralph Chacon wasn't (he saw Brett).
Does Brett Barnes have a shrine to Michael? I have to admit that I do make fun of Brett more than a little bit because his level of obvious infatuation is so comical, you'd have to have a pole up your ass not to laugh.
A kid who was platonic friends with an allegedly 'child-like' adult like Jacko would eventually grow out of it this ardor as they got older. But not Brett. He has a fan Facebook page like he's Michael Jackson's damned widow, which is so... random. That level of infatuation, after so many years (and we know he and Jacko shared a bed with each other for at least 10 years), reeks of intimacy.
You'd have to be blind not to see the red flares demonstrating he and Jacko were lovers! No heterosexual man loves another man that much without the two being related.
Michael must have rocked his world under the sheets! (LOL -- Brett B. deserves it, a bit.)
Brett, it's getting pathetic...
As an aside, I apologize to everyone for being so slow on the upkeep of this damned blog. I always struggle somewhat when writing cold and always worry the piece is disjointed, even though they, apparently, turn out fine.
omg Desiree where do you found that?
I don´t know how fans don´t see the little detail that Brett shared a bed with Michael until he was 19...until he was an adult for God´s saké!
Suzy:
The person who wrote that emailed me a few weeks ago. Those were his emails.
I can tell you that Michael did love to give poems to his special friends that had a romantic tone to them.
Desiree, this guy sounds believable. Thanks for posting it. He's keeps it simple, and his story isn't elaborate, which is the hallmark of someone telling lies.
That quote would explain why Mike wrote "Speechless", in his words, "a very romantic song" about young Anton Schleiter. Those are seriously the most romantic lyrics Mike has ever wrote, and not only did he write the song, he produced and arranged it. it was personal and it wasn't even about a woman, but a boy! HELLO, he's a pedo!
I bet too much money has exchanged hands. The fans act like he only had three victims, or four if you count the $300,000 installments to the Martinezes in Argentina for "child abuse accusations" according to news reports. But he had dozens of special friends over the years, some that the public isn't even aware of, before and after 1993. Therefore it's no way that hush money hasn't been paid. Brett, Wade, Jimmy, Jonathan... the list goes on.
Suzy, I heard the Glenda conversations a long time ago, right after he died in 2009, on Youtube.
I have heard the Glenda tapes too, they formed part of the "Michael Jackson's Boys" documentary. The son of the woman Damion Stein is featured speaking about how his father taped the convos. He is the same guy that is on the other doco that I linked a little while ago called Michael Jackson's Secret World, in that they call him Jeffrey and he speaks about how he and Michael were buddies, but he doesn't seem that enamoured with MJ. I'm not sure about the Glenda Tapes, it doesn't sound like MJ, even the way he says "white", if you listen to Mj any other time he says it differently. The tapes also mention 2 dogs at Neverland called Sasha and Shadow. It is a well known fact that MJ hated dogs, even Mark Quindoy spoke about this in the Hard Copy piece he did which is available on YT. I know MJ had a dog when he died and also got 2 retrievers at NL for his kids but that was a lot later.
Anyway just my take on it.
I have been watching some of Daphne Barak's old interviews and came up with this one from 2005 just before MJ's trial begins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG1NiZyA360
At 7.23 DB asks about girlfiends and love, just listen to what they say. Just watch how uncomfortable Joe is, he starts wriggling in his seat and answers "I can't remember"! A bit odd don't you think, if he were my son I would have said, "Oh yes he had loads of girlfriends and was in and out of love all the time!" Especially given the timing of this interview and the pending trial. It seemed noone was prepared to assert he was a ladies man, even his own parents.
Sarah,
wow Since he has always defended so much his son´s manhood it was a red flag! Like you said, he could have told he had a lot of girlfriends even if it wasn´t true.
Joe is only brave when someone says his son was gay or implies it. There, be careful with him! LOL
No, I think it's Mike on the Glenda tapes. It sounds like him and he is talking about things that Mike would know, like about giving money to Katherine on Joe's behalf, Latoya's book, his half sister Jo'Vonnie and how Joe treated her better than he treated them. It's Mike, no doubt about it. Even his talking about women is quintessential Mike: him running away from them if they get too interested, talking about how he wants a woman who will do what he says. how he never had sex with some girl (there's a debate if he's talking about Stephanie Mills or Diana Ross, or maybe even Brooke or Tatum), etc, it's typical misogynist, half-heaterted interest in women that Mike has always shown. The dog thing and the way he says "white" is really a non-factor, especially since he had dogs later in life and the fact that telephones distort the speaker's voice.
You'd have to really be into conspiracy theories to think three people--Glenda, her husband, and an MJ impersonator--created those tapes just to distribute them to the media during the time around the trial. Yes, anything is possible, but I believe that didn't happen in this case.
Now, the Joanna Thomae, Shana Mangatal, and Romonica Harris "girlfriends" were clearly fabricated by Mike's PR team and/or business associates to create an illusion that he was "getting it in", to use Teddy Riley's phrase, with many girls to counteract the pedophilia. Mike never even claimed or acknowledged these stories, which is weird if you are trying to convince people that you aren't a pedo. But Mike wasn't the best liar so he probably would have blew the whole scheme open if he would have said anything, e.g. like the whole "I-had-a-relationship-with-Blanket's-black-mother" thing he lied about in the Bashir doc. Everyone saw through that lie.
Interesting about his parents. They know full well what Mike was, and they just don't want to admit it to the public. But it's not surprising that they couldn't show Mike to be a womanizer, none of his family can. Someone on here mentioned Latoya being on a TV show overseas and she couldn't even answer the "Was Michael ever in love?" question. Says a lot, and Suzy, you are right, Joe only gets real emotional and convincing when someone suggests Mike was gay. I wonder what he'd say if someone mentioned all the foreign semen found on Mike's mattress, in sheets, and in underwear? I bet if Joe was in the company of close friends he'd say what Katherine said: "He's a damn faggot!" LOL.
Whether or not the guy actually knew MJ, those emails are very insightful. He brought up a good point about pedophiles--that they have a misguided affection for children. MJ fans whip themselves into a frenzy insisting that, because Michael loved children, the molestation allegations must be false. It shows just how misinformed they are.
Brett's obsession makes me so uncomfortable. I don't think he ever shook off the feeling of dependency that he had for MJ as a child. Now that MJ is gone, rather than dealing with it, it seems he's fixating on the past--still attempting to be MJ's dependable mini me. He has more issues than Rolling Stone.
Frenchie,
You´re right, Brett seems obsessed. He write sometimes about him. I don´t know how the fans don´t notice that little things. Things like "You´re a star that bright me up" or something like that and how much he loves him...it was like he never recovered on it.
I was thinking something, all that stories about Mike and the young bodyguards in the 80´s. I remembered the story about Joe getting furious at Michael because he didn´teven pretended he wasn´t gay or something (I don´t recall well, it seems it is on Andersen´s book).
Could Mike possibly have liked just men but as fear for his father he preferred hang on with kids, because like that supposedly it would be less suspicious?
It´s a little silly, but it appeared in my head lol.
Desiree, I sent you an email before about the comments, and how I wasn't able to post. It seems like I can do it using Firefox but not Chrome (I could before but, since last week, it wouldn't let me for some reason)
Anyway, back to the comment.
I was researching into the whole Schleiters story (I didn't know much about it) and I came up with this pic of MJ backstage at Wetten Dass with the Schleiter family.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WqpVPC2BLk4/TK1bFt6AUNI/AAAAAAAABWQ/1h7zA_akF7w/s400/045wd.jpg
I guess Anton is the boy at MJ's right. I think he totally looks like the type Michael liked (if it's him), right?
Elena,
wow, are you talking about the boy next to Mike?
I'm guessing the boy in white is Anton? There is some words at the very bottom of the photograph that says "Angelika, Michael, Laurent, Pascal of Pullen(?)" I can't really make out the last word. Is the daughter named Angelika? There is no mention of Anton if those are the names of the people in the photo.
Elena, do you know what year that picture is from? It looks like Mike from the mid to late 1990s, when he was still wearing his hair short. Supposedly, Anton was 14 when Mike wrote the song "Speechless" and he was in his 20s when he was hanging with Mike in Bahrain in the mid-2000s.
But at least Jackson is not all alone at the Dorchester Hotel. I am told that after entertaining his 20-year-old ward Omer Bhatti during the summer in Bahrain, the exiled pop star has had a new personal guest/companion with him: Anton Schleiter.
Schleiter, the 20-year-old son of Hamburg-based Sony music exec Wolfgang Schleiter, has been a favorite of 47-year-old Jackson for years now. Jackson even dedicated the song “Speechless” to Anton and his sister on the album "Invincible."
When I spoke with Wolfgang Schleiter last year, he refused to defend Jackson or help him in his child molestation case.
Anton, it should be noted, appears in pictures to dress and wear his hair exactly like Michael.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172714,00.html#ixzz1SPC5pzM5
I highly doubt that Mike really thought of the sister when he was writing that song. And even so, don't the fans find it strange that arguably the most romantic song Mike's ever written completely by himself was written/dedicated to children? It's a completely misdirected impulse; Mike should be writing love songs about women (or men) not kids.
Could Mike possibly have liked just men but as fear for his father he preferred hang on with kids, because like that supposedly it would be less suspicious?
It´s a little silly, but it appeared in my head lol.
Suzy, it's possible. Some deeply religious individual, like Catholic priests for instance, may have gay feelings but think being with a man is sinful so they redirect their impulses to children, because children are "clean" and the definition in their minds is that being gay is being with an adult of the same sex, so being with a boy is not "gay".
Mike was very religious and his family, like many black families of that era, strongly condemn being a homosexual. I don't think he would have ever just been gay. JRT said the same in his book, that since Mike was so religious he would have never acted on his feelings of homosexuality even if he had them. I personally think Mike would have just hid it (like he did) instead of suppressing the desires.
But from Mike's own words and actions, I believe his "love" for children, particularly pubescent boys, was completely real and not a result directing his gay desires to boys. Remember his nude boy books, the nude pictures of two boys the cops found, the collecting of rare boy-oriented films, along the compulsive need to have special friends. he was a true blue pedo. But I absolutely believe he also liked young men. Too many anecdotes about him being with young males in the 1980s, and his hiring of some of his bodyguards based on looks alone is too suspicious.
I just looked at the Invincible book jacket and Anton's sister is named Franziska. So I'm not sure if that is the family, if the names are at the bottom of the photo?
It's from 1995 so I guess I got the wrong picture. That site said it was them but of course he/she may have uploaded wrong photo or something. I didn't thought about the timing at first and since the pic is indeed taken at the backstage of a German TV show called "Wetten Dass" I thought it made sense that he met them there. Michael performed there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-U8-JnAm8c And I think he also sang "The Earth song" after that.
Anyway, it was indeed creepy that MJ dedicated "Speechless" to him. Becasue I'm pretty sure he didn't care much about Anton's sister lol. Plus, I think the song refers clearly to only one person. I really like that song by the way, I guess I'll just try not to think about this next time I listen to it. I agree with whoever said it was one of the most romantic songs he ever wrote. And it seemed to be very personal and special to him.
I remember not so long ago I played this song in my house and my mom said it was very beatiful. But then she added "However, I doubt it's about a woman, right?" I laughed and I said that I wouldn't be surprise if it was about some boy (And I got it right, 1 point for me lol). Then she told me that it would be beautiful if he really sang it about a woman and I was like "Well, or a man. The problem would be singing romantic songs about children." But for my mom it would be just as weird if he felt that for a man.
I'm saying all this because I'm getting that same feeling from some comments when you guys mention the DB interviews with MJ's family and stuff. You're all like expecting to hear from someone that he was a womanizer or something like that. At this point, I think we all can agree he was a homosexual (99.9% sure, not 100% for a lack of admision on his part) and he liked males. So why are you guys surprised that noone can tell any believable story about MJ and some woman or similar? He wasn't interested in women, but that's not wrong in anyway. I consider the regulars on this blog to be pretty open-minded and not homophobe but I sometimes don't understand these kind of things. The problem wasn't his lack of interest in women, nor his attraction to males, it was his proclivity to young boys and the obsessive feelings he had for them. It was The fact that he manipulated them to play sex games, bought their families with expensive gifts, abandoned them when he wasn't interested anymore and went for the next boy, then paying off the family to shut up. That's what's wrong, not the fact that he wasn't getting it with every girl that throwed herself at him. What was he supposed to do then? Pretend to have relationship with women, getting even more in denial of his homosexuality (which I think not even him accepted) and get married? He did, and it clearly didn't make him any happier. I don't know what would have been the "solution" to his problems but it certainly wasn't faking even more his image. Just imagine how it must have been for him to live hating pretty much everything about himself. He didn't accept his race, he didn't accept his appearance, he didn't accept his sexual orientation, and who knows what more. So all in all, I just don't understand why you guys mock him for not being a womanizer, finding men handsome (and then hiring them without any experience lol), and being effeminate. Why wouldn't he? That's not the problem like I said before. Or at least it's not a problem for me.
//By the way, whoever those people on the pic are, I'm still pretty sure MJ would have liked that boy lol
"So all in all, I just don't understand why you guys mock him for not being a womanizer"
Fangirls love to depict him as sort of a covert Casanova. If anything, we're mocking them since it's so clearly untrue. If MJ was just a closeted gay man who collected twinks instead of tweens, I doubt anyone here would care.
I don't mock Mike for not being a womanizer. Nope. I personally despise men who are like that. So it was a relief to find out when I was a fan that he wasn't one of those types; I liked the thought of a sweet Mike looking for the right girl LOL. I just thought that's why he hadn't had many relationships. Then of course there is the misogyny that he displayed in the Rabbi's book, which explained a lot also.
I agree with Frenchie, the fans portray him as a womanizer, which is extremely delusional on their part. They run to the extreme just to counteract all the gay and pedo rumors, when they know that there is absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. So to rub the truth in their faces is fun (for me at least). I personally now like that Mike was gay, I think it fits him. Now I just wish he could have came out of the closet and had relationships with men in public. He could have been like Elton John and get married and adopt.
And it's not about mocking his effeminacy, it's about pointing out to fans the obvious. How can a man who wears lipstick, wigs, ladies' perfume, and puts on a high pitched voice for fun NOT be gay? LOL. it's just so obvious and I guess when you repeat these truths to the fans so many times, it may sound like you're mocking him. Well, I'm not a fan so I tend to be a little harsher than I could be. But I couldn't care less if he was gay.
But yes, the problem was his pedophilia and even though it would have been better if he was just gay, he couldn't escape liking boys.
Pictures of Anton Schleiter I found:
http://goo.gl/C8z4t
http://goo.gl/O1fw3
The second's from some German tabloid. He was just yet another good-looking white boy-turned-man that Jacko collected. He was in his twenties in the photo, I believe.
Elena:
I agree that the boy in the pic you linked looks like Jacko's type and he could've been a boy Michael Jackson was interested in. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in some ways a 'special friend' (or at least Jacko fantasized about it).
To me, the fact Jacko wrote 'Speechless' about a boy (sure the girl was included...yeah right) is one of the best indicators that he was a pedophile. That song is very romantic and it really is quite sick. (And I HATE that song, by the way... How can you stand it? lol)
I don't think Jacko is mocked for not being a womanizer on this blog. I think Frenchie hit it on the head when she essentially said that we are making fun of his deluded fans. I honestly cannot imagine Jacko with any woman and re-reading bits of 'The Michael Jackson Tapes' recently, I am even more convinced he hated women.
He would've never come out of the closet because, outside of Little Richard, what relevant black musician is homosexual? I think he was in a deep denial.
I also don't think the next DB clip, if one ever emerges, would have anything about him being interested in women. I think Sarah was the person who mentioned his sexuality but I don't think she meant STRAIGHT!
Frenchie:
I second your insight about Brett's obsession. The picture you've painted is one that is a bit disturbing (sounds like a great premise for a fanfiction, lol!).
Brett is clearly obsessed with Michael Jackson and, if what Suzy stated is true--that he says little things about Michael on his Facebook from time to time--then he is IN LOVE with Michael Jackson and is behaving like a widow.
I wonder if he has a shrine to Jacko like John Hinckley had to Jodie Foster.
But, seriously, how terrible must it be to have had your sexuality so shaped and indelibly impressed upon by Michael Jackson to the point you are a man entering his thirties who still loves him in that way. I think it is obvious that he was a victim.
Another thing we all can agree at this point is that his fans are totally delusional. And they don't really want to come out of there. After all, it's too confortable to live in a fairytale world with rainbows and butterflies and MJ as your supreme flawless God. Reality is ugly so why face it? These people are just like religious fanatics. Weather your god is Allah, Jehova, or even MJ, it's just as stupid and it makes them act the same stupid way and say the same stupid things to defend their beliefs and their leader. You may say I'm exaggerating but you wouldn't believe the things I've read in some fan forums. It's just sick. And they are usually, just like religious people, the most intolerant, racist, homophobe, and above all hypocrites people I've ever encountered. That's something they ALL share. Just look at this fans claiming equality for all races and peace in the world while they worship a man who hated his own race so much that he bleached his skin and mutilated his face to look caucasian. Appearances is the most important thing for them, it doesn't matter if you're a murderer, a rapist(or just a horrible person in general) as long as you go to church everyday and say your prayers every night, God will forgive you. And that's the kind of education they give to their children. They create some of the most dangerous people.
Excuse me for going a little off topic there but I just can't stand these kinds of people. I'm an atheist and I'm sorry if there's anyone religious here who feels offended by what I said, but I stand by my opinion. The point is that fanatism is wrong, weather you worship an invisible God or a singer. It's dangerous for both the worshipper and, in the case of MJ, the person being worshipped.
Desiree, regarding the song, I had the feeling it was about a boy even before knowing it. "Speechless" it's not at all the kind of song I usually like (specially because I'm not much into ballads) but for some reason I like that one, and I like how his voice sounds too. You know one song I can't stand? "Childhood". I HATE it, and don't get me started about the video because I hate it even more. Seriously, I just want to throw a brick to his face everytime I see that pathetic image of him dressed as "little boy" with his bleached skin and his woman make-up singing about children in a feminine voice. So yeah, I hate it lol.
"I second your insight about Brett's obsession. The picture you've painted is one that is a bit disturbing (sounds like a great premise for a fanfiction, lol!)."
Brett Barnes fanfiction...can you imagine? Pauline would never leave your blog! lol
In the Gardner interview, Jordan predicted that one day MJ would leave him, and because Jordan was conditioned to be so loyal to him and kept so isolated from others, he wouldn't know how to move forward. Jordan said he would feel like a vegetable--just existing but not experiencing any of the other options there are to life. It's almost eerie how accurately that seems to describe Brett's situation.
Desiree,
It´s true,his facebook is public, anyone can see it. He has just a sister, right? Or a brother, also? He says he misses a brother...it should be Mike,because he called him brother in his birthday. He even says he was more than his best friend!
Look that status:
Shooting stars have always reminded me of you... Miss you...
Should have dedicated to him, right? wow...
oh btw, I saw this on a Aaron´s thread:
"I just can't believe it, how easy it is for people to keep doing this to him. Then his manager/friend had the nerve to tell an angry fan on twitter that their anger at Aaron was the reason MJ died. No, it's the fucking Aaron's in this world that are the reason MJ died."
Jessica,
Gay marriage is illegal in California, right? Or isn´t anymore? So even if Michael wanted to marry a man he wouldn´t by that.
Desiree, Anton Schleiter is pretty cute! Mike has good taste, LOL. Now I wonder if they ever did it when Anton was visiting him in Bahrain? Or maybe Mike just liked to "watch"?
I was thinking about the song "Speechless" and I can't believe the fans don't see the fact that the song was written about a 14 year old boy and the fact that the song's lyrics are so incredibly romantic. Like at the end of the song, he says "Yourlove is magical, that's how I feel, but in your presence I am lost for words," then Mike whispers "words like...I love you" like he can't say everything he feels or something. I mean DAMN! He is head over heels in love in this song. He's like "gone is the grace for expressions of passion"? And he wrote this after having a water balloon fight (his favorite pastime) with a good looking 14 year old boy? Passion?! Wow.
Elena how did you guess this song was probably about a boy, LOL? In my more delusional fan days, I was hoping he was talking about his nanny, LOL. But in retrospect, it's laughable to even think he would write a song with as much love and passion (LOL) about a woman.
And I agree with you about "Childhood". It's almost exploitative. Here he is coming from a huge multimillion dollar payoff and then he creates this "rebuttal" to the accusations, saying his childhood was lost and he's just reliving it and people are persecuting him because they don't understand. It's bullshit. But what's really sick is that Mike would put kids in the video, knowing full well he's a damn molester. It's so ironic in a way.
Truth be told, I think Mike wrote some of the "better" sappy songs. I like "You Are Not Alone" (I know R. Kelly wrote that one) for some strange reason, and I don't really like songs like that. I like "will You Be There" and even "Heal the World", but "The Lost Children" and the other monstrosities on the second half of the Invincible album are horrible. Not to offend anyone, but I personally don't like the songs were he sounds soulless and whitewashed. I like his "blacker" songs. I think my favorites are "Lovely One", "Heartbreak Hotel", "Lady in my Life", "PYT", "Remember the Time", "Wanna Be Startin' Somthin'", "Baby Be Mine", "Leave Me Alone"...well I like Thriller and Bad for the most part. I like "Heaven Can Wait" and "Butterflies" too. Okay, enough LOL. Any song that I feel he's selling out to the bubblegum crowd I don't like.
About the whole worshipping MJ thing, I agree with you. I think it doesn't really matter the ideology or the circumstance, fanatics are all the same, with the only difference being the idol of worship. It's irrational to believe in something you can't see, and even more irrational to try to convince other people that you are right about the thing you can't see.
I read this guy, Corey Rooney, he's a music producer, and he was being interviewed after Mike's death and he basically kissed ass the whole time, acting as if Mike was this persecuted man who really was a shining white light. He even put a positive spin on the whole Tommy Mottola "racist devil" comment, saying that Sony was giving Mike the run around and Mike was frustrated. Bullshit. I agree with Russell Simmons, Mike was just mad his album bombed, despite the fact Sony had given him $30 mil to promote it. Rooney proceeded to clean up rumors, like saying Mike wasn't trying to be white and that he was respectful to his gay fans and that's why he wouldn't say he wasn't gay on camera in the Bashir doc, and other nonsense. But the worse of it was at the end, when Rooney said that before he could say this he had to get permission from his pastor but basically he believed that Mike was like Jesus Christ, sent down from God to fill the world with love and music but was wrongfully persecuted and condemned because he was so different and special, again, like Jesus. And remember Jermaine Jackson said the same thing, that the world wasn't ready for someone like Mike so God took him back. LMAO, especially coming from a dysfunctional Jackson family member.
Suzy,
Brett Barnes only has one sister, Karlee Barnes. Is the "Shooting stars have always reminded me of you... Miss you..." quote about a man? I just want to know if that quote is about a girl or a guy? Since he doesn't have a brother, it's a pretty weird thing to say about a man, don't you think? And if that quote is about Mike, wow. he is clearly still into him. I don't think Brett Barnes is gay per se, but I think he is definitely gay for Mike. How sad it is to be so obsessed with your abuser? Maybe he doesn't think what happen to him was abuse since he still "did it" with Mike when he got of legal age.
That quote is just too funny though! LOL
That fan quote about Aaron Carter is ridiculous. No one is doing anything to Mike, don't the fans realize that the reason people keep saying he was a pedophile and had creepy behavior towards boys is because he was actually a PEDOPHILE? How long do the fans gotta keep hearing the evidence before they actually get it? They are so ridiculous.
Yea, Suzy, it's still illegal in California. I was just being hypothetical. Elton John is different from Mike in that he never tried to hide the fact that he was gay. I think it would be hard to transition from being a "straight" star to being an openly gay one, especially with the huge amount of female fans that Mike had. i bet Ricky Martin isn't doing as well since coming out, but I bet he's happier not having to lie. But anyways, I doubt that Mike would ever have gotten married. As Desiree pointed out, there isn't a lot of gay black musicians to look up to. I guess he could have been like David Bowie or Freddie Mercury, or even Boy George, just dressing effeminately but not really really seeming "gay gay", only a little gay, LOL.
Desiree is right about him acting like MJ's widow. I googled his facebook but found this instead:
twitter.com/IAmBrettBarnes
It doesn't appear to be very active, but guess who's the topic of nearly every tweet?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001415739901&sk=wall
Brett's fan Facebook wall where you can see his 'messages' to Michael Jackson that Suzy described.
He's obsessive, obviously. It's just so pathetic. I don't know whether to feel sorry for him or to just laugh my ass off at how clingy he still is.
Jessica:
I have no idea whether Jacko was with Anton Schleiter in that way. I couldn't even guess, even if Jacko seems to have molested all of the boys who used to dress up like him.
I guess you could say that he probably had to have something with him because he wrote that song.
Did Brett ever get a song?
"http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001415739901&sk=wall
Brett's fan Facebook wall where you can see his 'messages' to Michael Jackson that Suzy described."
Just as cringe-inducing as I remember. I wonder if Brett's family is at all concerned about his mental well-being, or if they're as oblivious now as they were when he was MJ's fourth grade bedroom companion.
Frenchie, I honestly believe that, at least his parents, are fully aware of Brett having been a more than platonic 'special friend'. After how his mother reacted to hearing about Ralph Chacon witnessing Jacko perform sex acts on Brett, there is just no way they are oblivious.
Karlee, I would submit, could be oblivious. Maybe the sister-brother bond was one that enabled her to believe Brett's protestations that nothing ever happened (assuming he always kept up the charade). She probably thought it was all honky-dory.
His parents, especially his mother? Hell no. They can't be that stupid.
The only thing I would wager is that they try not think about it.
You think so? I just assumed they were gullible and believed Brett when he denied it. If they really knew, that must be one dysfunctional family. Maybe that's why he's so attached to MJ--he felt more protected by his abuser than by his own parents.
"Did Brett ever get a song?"
I doubt it. After I read Brett's court transcript, I got the impression that he was overly eager to please Michael. Take, for instance, when Tom Mesereau asked him to identify MJ. Instead of simply giving his name as any normal person would do, Brett had to proclaim, "THAT'S MY GOOD FRIEND, MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!"
Of course I have no way of knowing for sure, but from what I've read here and there, I believe Brett was MJ's fallback. The kid willing to do whatever he could to keep MJ's love and approval. Then whenever someone more challenging piqued MJ's interest, Brett was sidelined...at least that's what seemed to have happened when Jordan entered the scene. I think MJ kept Brett on reserve for when there weren't better options available, but I doubt he was head over heels for him the way he was with some of his other special friends.
Brett was/is totally eager to please Mike. i bet that was one of the reasons he became a special friend. Mike's special friends, with the exception of Mac Culkin, seem to be of the more "gentler" variety. I think it wold be a little more difficult to woo a street smart kid than to woo a more demure kid who is less rough around the edges. Oh, and the kid has to be a fanboy...much easier to manipulate. Gavin seemed more street smart and crass than you'd expect a special friend to be.
But I think Mike was into Brett for a while, obviously all through 1992 he was Mike's "boy of the year". But that didn't stop him from hanging with multiple boys. I think Brett also was the most clingy, especially given the fact that he was the only boy, maybe except for Omer Bhatti, that continued to actively want to "share a bed" with Mike. Omer Bhatti seems a little obsessed with Mike as well, getting all these tattoos of Mike's eyes and the Neverland boy on a cresent moon logo on his body, and acting as if Mike was his "dad". I have a feeling that Omer is doing all of this for money and his career by trying to establish some connection; Brett seems to be genuinely in love with the King of Pop.
I think after the Jordie scandal, Mike probably didn't see Brett as much as he use to, partly because he had a new live in 12 year old boy toy (Omer) and partly because Bret was just getting too old. I think Mike probably just had to keep sleeping with Brett because he might be one of those unstable types that will crack if they don't get the attention they need. It's not to say Mike wasn't still "into" Brett but more that it became both a fallback and a "sympathy screw", LOL. It's all Mike's fault that Brett is like this, though.
I wonder if Mike thought Brett was a little gay boy and that's why he picked him as a special friend? Sometimes questioning youth are preyed on by pedophiles.
when Tom Mesereau asked him to identify MJ. Instead of simply giving his name as any normal person would do, Brett had to proclaim, "THAT'S MY GOOD FRIEND, MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!
LMAO. Definitely seems like Brett was over-egging the pudding with his enthusiasm. It's especially suspicious when you know that the Barneses and the Robsons were all staying at Neverland during the time of their testimony. I can't help but think Brett, who quit his job to testify, was like "Mike, did I do good, did I do good?" after his testimony, much like a little lapdog. To which Mike assured him he did and rewarded Brett by letting him spend the night in his room. LOL.
Of course Mike probably had to chastise Brett with spilling the beans that they were still sleeping together when he was a grown man. Mike probably also had to chastise Karlee for telling the world about Brett sleeping with Mike for 365 days, too, when Brett was little, and Wade Robson for letting it slip about how Mike used to talk to him when he was a kid how it was okay for a man and boy to sleep in a bed together. Luckily the jury wasn't really paying attention to any of this, but the Barneses and Robsons were horrible witnesses, clearly very eager (except Wade) to defend the man that either gave them a career (the Robsons) or made them feel special (the Barneses).
"Gavin seemed more street smart and crass than you'd expect a special friend to be."
But his special friends always seemed to have a vulnerability to them. You can't get much more vulnerable than a kid with cancer. Also, Gavin had a physically abusive father, so he may have welcomed gentle affection from a father figure...just not the sort of affection that MJ eventually offered him.
I agree that MJ probably maintained a relationship with Brett through his adulthood because he knew that Brett would be an especially damaging enemy. As a child, I do think Brett was his backup boy. Maybe not early on, but definitely once Jordan's indoctrination began. Seeing how easily he could be replaced probably made Brett even more eager to prove his devotion to MJ. Even after MJ's death, Brett is still trying to prove himself.
"Barneses and Robsons were horrible witnesses, clearly very eager (except Wade) to defend the man that either gave them a career (the Robsons) or made them feel special (the Barneses)."
That reminds me, I came across photos of Wade and Brett outside of court on the day they testified. Wade looks so disinterested in the whole thing. He didn't even bother to put on a tie or tuck in his shirt. Brett is the complete opposite. He has an annoying smug grin on his face, and you can just tell he went into his dad's closet and carefully picked out his best suit to wear. lol.
http://goo.gl/wgRwn
Well, Wade is an entertainer in a way, so it's possible that he is more laid back in his style. Even Chantal Robson looks "homely" in her attire.
Is it just me or does Brett's tie fit that whole royal motif thing Mike was so interested in? And look at those double hoops in his ear! When I was in grade school, we used to say that men who wore earrings in a certain ear meant they were gay. But it's been so long I can't remember if it's the left or right ear, LOL. He looks pretty good in that pic, no wonder Mike was still hitting that. LOL.
http://www.pbase.com/gnava/image/43001621/medium
I agree that Brett would have been a very dangerous liability had Mike just "hit it and quit it". Just imagine if he told the world what Mike did to him, Mike would be offering him $50 million in hush money!
You're right about Gavin, I always forget that he met Mike when he was on the brink of death.
As a child, I do think Brett was his backup boy.
I'm curious to why you think this. I mean it's possible, but I think that Mike liked Brett very much, like he did all of his special friends, but like all pedophiles, Mike just had to acquire a steady supply of young boys. Now, if you are correct, maybe Brett didn't provide much of a chase or challenge for Mike? So much that he got bored? I hate to talk about a man-boy relationship like that, but let's be honest, pedos see it as a "real relationship" with all the same dynamics. I know, sick, but maybe that could explain Brett's backup status. It's self-explanatory that he took the backseat when he got older.
Michael definetely had good luck with Brett, he couldn't have found a more loyal special friend. By the way, Brett was what we call in my country a "follamigo" LOL
I wonder what happened to some of the "silent" special friends. I mean we always hear about Brett, Jordan, Gavin, Wade, Omer, the Cascios...etc (MJ didn't waste time lol) Especially from the 90s onwards. But he was hanging with kids since the late 70s and through the 80s. I've heard from Emmanuel Lewis, who said nothing happened. And, in his case, I think he's telling the truth. I don't doubt that MJ had some kind of attraction for him but EL sounded genuine to me when said nothing happened. However, after I read that MJ tried to check him into a hotel room with him saying they were father and son, I'm not so sure.
I recently saw a photo from the early/mid 80s which showed MJ with a young blond boy. I've seen him a few times (on the set of Captain EO too) but I didn't know who he was. Now I know his name is Jonathan Spence but I haven't found much about him. Didn't he testified at the trial or ever talked about MJ? He just suddenly disappeared. Then there's Jimmy Safechuck, mentioned on this same post. On that second documentary from Martin Bashit they said that Jimmy claimed nothing happened. But he didn't even appear on the show. And I certainly don't believe him. Just seeing the photos on this post it's VERY clear. He also suddenly vanished in the 90s. However, I saw a post on this same blog which showed some photos of older Jimmy with MJ on the set of that History teaser. He brought a young man with him on his honeymoon with Lisa Marie. Nothing else to say. But nevertheless, he's mysteriously silent too.
Do you guys know anything else about these 2?
"I'm curious why you think this. I mean it's possible, but I think that Mike liked Brett very much, like he did all of his special friends"
I believe MJ liked Brett, but I just don't think he was one of his favorites. It seems to me that Michael enjoyed the thrill of the hunt. If he didn't, he wouldn't have wasted nearly so much time conditioning someone like Jordan--a kid who required a long grooming process and periodically expressed reluctence to his advances. Even back in '92, when MJ was touring with Brett and had him at his beck and call, he compulsively rang Jordan. It appears to me that MJ preferred the challenge of Jordan to the overly appeasing personality of Brett.
Besides, if easy submission was what MJ sought, he would have spent all his free time in Thailand or somewhere else where there's a child trafficking problem. He certainly could afford it. Instead he chose to prey on specific children. I believe this indicates that MJ enjoyed the act of predation so he would likely favor the children who gave him more of that thrill. Brett's eagerness to please MJ makes me think he was not difficult to manipulate and so less of a prize to him. Anyway, none of this is really relevant. I was just making an offhanded comment about why I didn't think MJ would bother to dedicate a song to him.
"I wonder what happened to some of the "silent" special friends. I mean we always hear about Brett, Jordan, Gavin, Wade, Omer, the Cascios...etc (MJ didn't waste time lol) Especially from the 90s onwards. But he was hanging with kids since the late 70s and through the 80s."
Yeah, I wonder about some of the older ones. Has enough time past that they might be more willing to come forward? The emails that Desiree pasted above do make me a little optimistic. If any of them lurk here and would like to tell their story anonymously, I'm sure Desiree would keep their identities quiet. She's never outed any of her previous informants. Just throwing that out there...
comon, guys, you must to study hard, on the other side;)MJ LIKED WOMAN..FINISH
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AT 12 YEARS OLD-MJ.ON PLAY BOY.THERE IS A LITTLE JOE
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/home
Lily,
Please. Now did you even try to read anything on this website? If you did, you'd a) not even bother with trying to link your site as "evidence" that Mike was straight because you'd know we would not be convinced, and b) no still be under the delusion that a man how didn't show any interest in women until he was accused of molesting one on of his numerous special boy friends.
It's time to give it up. He was gay and he was a pedophile. Deal with it.
Elena,
LOL, what's a follamigo? Brett certainly has been a good boy, hasn't he? LOL.
About Manny Lewis, I agree with you, I don't think he was ever molested by Mike although I think Mike was attracted to him. I just don't think he physically touched him. Now, then I think about Terry George, who was 12 years old in 1979, and mike never touched him either, but he did ask him if he masturbated and told him that he was masturbating while Terry talked to him. Maybe something like that happened with Manny. Oh, and I forgot about Jordie telling Gardner that Manny was one of the special friends that Mike mentioned masturbated in front of him. It's possible that Mike was just saying all these boys did this (Wade, Mac, Manny, and Brett, and Jimmy) just to lower his reservations about the whole thing, but for some reason I don't think that Mike lied (well, especially about Wade, BRETT, and Jimmy). So if he didn't lie, then Manny is just lying. But he may have thought masturbating with a friend isn't akin to molestation so that is why he is able to say so convincingly that Mike never touched him. Maybe the hotel thing was, in Manny's mind, just two guys having fun jacking off in different locations, LOL.
About Jonathan Spence, a lot of the information about him that I've read was in Diane Dimond's book. Jonathan supposedly had a very almost nonexistant relationship with his parents because they traveled and Mike was left to babysit. Mike ended up calling Jonathan an orphan and he was his "daddy". According to Blanca Francia, Jonathan was very soft-spoken and acted like a girl. One of Mike's secretaries or assistants said that Jonathan would stay at Hayvenhurst at least 2X a week, and sometime Miek would stay at his house. When Mike and Jonathan were on the Captain EO set, Jonathan was his little errand boy and towel boy and would only talk to Mike. According to Orietta Murdock, when Jonathan was older, every time he'd call, it was put directly through to Mike and whatever Jonathan asked for, Mike would quickly foot the bill, like for tickets and one time, a sports car. But Jonathan has denied anything happened to him. Of course, I don't believe him, as the cops found a nude picture at Neverland in 1993 of a young boy they believed to be Jonathan. I have no doubt he was molested, no doubt whatsoever. He never testified in 2005.
Elena,
Jimmy, like Jonathan, has said (although with both I've never actually heard them say it) he wasn't molested, although his denial is taken with a grain of salt because of Mike's obvious pattern. He went with Mike on the Bad tour after being discovered for the Pepsi commercial and his parents allegedly received luxury cars as gifts. According to witnesses, Mike and Jimmy always slept in the same hotel room and Jolie Levine said she always saw them in bed together; she would later call Mike a "chickenhawk" to police. Allegedly, in Bob Jones' book, when they were on tour in Nice, France, Mike wrote a love letter to Jimmy on a sheet and the team had to confiscate that and a feces smeared sheet. Jimmy's father, the garbage collector, also allegedly received a $1 million check as Latoya testified, something only she would know and not Jack Gordon, so I believe her. Also, Jimmy got married, according to Mesereau, at Neverland, something fans see as proof he was never molested. But they don't realize that these boys might not have seen what they did with Mike as bad, like Jordie said to Gardner; it could have been like sexual experimentation to them, but completely perverted on Mike's end. I think the fact that Jimmy was 16 and went with Mike on his honeymoon History teaser shows a lot about how sexual the relationship between Jimmy and himself was. Oh, and allegedly, Jimmy was very sad after Mike stopped hanging with him as much in the early 90s and he supposedly went to counseling. In Gutierrez's book, Wayne Safechuck (Jimmy's dad) declined to give any comment about Mike's molestation scandal. He said all questions should be directed toward Mike's people if they wanted any answers. So he was staying mum. I believe as repayment for Jimmy's loyalty with not saying he was molested Mike brought him back into the fold, hence why you saw him in the pictures with Lisa.
He, too, never testified in 2005.
Frenchie,
Oh okay, I see what you mean. that's what I thought too. And, LOL, it is relevant because it is further proof that Mike was a pedo and had the predatory pedophile mindset, something the fans always say he lacks, that he doesn't fit the profile. Please. He does.
Even back in '92, when MJ was touring with Brett and had him at his beck and call, he compulsively rang Jordan. It appears to me that MJ preferred the challenge of Jordan to the overly appeasing personality of Brett.
I forgot about that too. Jordie mentioned that he talked very briefly to one of Mike's "cousins" on the phone. I wonder how Brett felt, I wonder if he was jealous. But Mike was diddling brett and grooming Jordie over the phone, in essence, killing two birds with one stone. Once off the tour, Mike did immediately invite Jodie for a stay over at Neverland.
Brett's eagerness to please MJ makes me think he was not difficult to manipulate and so less of a prize to him.
I believe that Mike thought Brett was a little gay boy, therefore an easy target. This would definitely explain the backup position Brett could have had; he's just too easy. Although, that could also make him one Mike didn't want to lose.
I don't think anyone will have the guts to speak out. it think the guy, Robert, who emailed Desiree was just one of the non-molested boys that Mike befriended and therefore he doesn't have as much to lose or hide.
Lily, grow up please.
Michael was in PlayBoy at 12? So...?
You have to learning something about sexuality. You can´t just prove it. It´s funny how fans like you say Michael liked women just because he was by their side,was married twice, that little things that means nothing...gay men can flirt with women, do you know child?
Jessica,
Thanks for the information on Jimmy and Jonathan.
One thing that always surprised me about MJ when I first started researching more into his relationships with young boys is the fact that some of them (Brett, Omer, Jimmy, and The Cascios, for example) remained friends with MJ when they got older (The Cascios even worked for him). And specially Brett and Omer because they defend him so passionately. Not only that but they also mention him the whole time, and they kinda act and talk like him sometimes.
Now that I'm almost completely sure he molested most of them I understand it even less. When they were kids he pretty much got them (and their families) eating out the palm of his hand. But when they were older they had really no reason to keep hanging out with him. Plus, why would a molested kid want to spend time with his abuser? I've always thought that, had that happened to me, I wouldn't even want to see him again. I could understand they were defending because he made some kind of economical deal with them and their families but that doesn't explain why they still consider him a "friend". And back to the cases of Brett and Omer, they were probably pimped out by their parents as kids but they also seemed to still maintain a relationship (and most likely sexual) with him when they were older. And nobody was really forcing them to do it. Even if they were doing it for money or some kind of particular interest, it was their choice (and a very weird one if you ask me lol).
In the case of Macaulay Culkin, who has always defended him as well, I've always wondered what Michael did to "impress" him or to keep him(and his family) quiet after a possible molestation. I mean the kid and his family were already rich, he probably could get anything he wanted, and he said he wasn't a fanboy. So if he was molested, because I really find it hard to believe that he wasn't, what was and is his reason to remain so loyal?
// By the way, "Follamigo" is a very self-explanatory term lol. "Follar" means "to f*ck" and "amigo" means "friend". We say that when two friends who aren't involved in a (romantic) relationship often have sex with each other.
Elena,
LOL at "follamigo". I like that word, and I knew "amigo" meant friend in Spanish, but I wasn't sure about the "foll" part, although I had a feeling it had to do with sex, LOL. In the United States, we'd call that type of relationship "friends with benefits" or Brett could be called a "fuck buddy" LOL.
Anyways, I really think that people assume too quickly that all abuse victims hate their abuser or want to get away from them as fast as possible. But I think that is too simplistic. It may be an ugly reality, but sometimes the kids in a pedo relationship might actually "like it". I know, it seems hard to believe, but it would help to explain some of the special friends' actions. Mike might have provided something they lacked before, like a older male role model or some kind of emotional support. Many of these special friends had absent fathers and Mike might have fulfilled that role. Maybe because it was Michael Jackson, they were all desirous to keep him as a friend. Not all pedos are evil and cruel to the children they abuse, in fact, most pedos love kids and are actually interested in what they think and what they like to do. Of course it is sexual at the end of the day. I think people don't realize how much children like it when adults pay attention to their interests. I think that Mike fit this to a tee, and possibly the boys (men, now) felt the sexual aspect was just a small price to pay for having that kind of emotional connection with an adult. Also it's possible that Mike wasn't having sex-sex with all of them, more sexualized games if you will, so that could also play a part in why they haven't abandoned him.
For people like Wade Robson, I think it's purely about feeling obligated to defend Mike because he gave him a career. He did say on the stand that he grew out of sleeping with Mike in his bed when he was 13 so he started to sleep in the guest units when he stayed over. All of this would be after Mike finally signed the music contract for him in December 1993, having strung him along for years, according to Joy Robson. I personally think Wade hit puberty and didn't want to involve himself in homosexual sex games anymore. It doesn't seem like Wade uses his Michael Jackson connection to make money. he seems distant.
People also seem to believe that straight men wouldn't whore themselves out to wealthy gay men. I personally think that was the Frank Cascio arrangement after awhile. Not to say that Frank doesn't genuinely love Mike, but I don't think he'd want to constantly sleep with him. I mean Frank was a special friend back when he was younger in the early 90s, and I find it doubtful that sexuality wasn't a topic in his relationship with Mike, just like it was with Brett and Jordie and Jimmy and Jonathan. It all follows the same pattern. Look at Aaron Carter's story about Mike creeping onto his cot in the early morning hours; sex with these teen boys is clearly a very strong priority with Mike. I just think it could have been a small price to pay to get to play in Mike's money.
Mac Culkin? I honestly have no idea why he would still defend Mike, but maybe he just truly values the time he spent with Mike and the molestation is not really an integral part of it in his mind. Like I said, it might not have been seen as a big deal, the sex games. I mean it's possible that money has exchanged hands but I don't so, I just don't think Mac Culkin would spill the beans about all of that. I heard that he is very open about his relationship with Mike because he claims he doesn't have anything to hide.
But Brett and Omer I feel are in love with Mike, sexually, and possibly with Omer, it's also a vehicle to make money. Brett, though, really has no real excuse: he's not talented, he's not rich, he's just a regular guy. For him, it's about L-O-V-E, LOL.
Elena, I was just thinking that I bet some could argue that because we cannot come up with what we may believe is a good logical explanation as to why these men keep defending their abuser is because we aren't following what could be seen as the "most likely" explanation: they were not molested.
Of course, to believe that it would mean to ignore the mountains of circumstantial evidence that has been uncovered. I for one do not believe they weren't molested, so in turn do not think that is the most likely explanation.
I can understand Michael's special friends being too brainwashed to admit the truth, but there must be other Jason Francias out there--children who were molested without the elaborate "seduction" first. MJ couldn't have always been so careful. After all, he had a compulsion...surely he acted impulsively from time to time. If enough of these sort of victims spoke up, it might subdue the fanaticism a bit. I mean, right now some of the fans are so caught up in their devotion to MJ that they would probably kill just to protect his legacy. That's how deranged they are.
This is off topic, but this is a video of Barry Gibb and Mike singing in the studio. I guess Mike thinks he sounds good in this song, LOL. Not really... it's a little grating on the ears. Also, this could have been the time that he and Barry had been smoking weed in the studio, according to Chris Carter.
http://www.etonline.com/music/112608_Never_Before_Seen_Michael_Jackson_s_Lost_Song_with_Barry_Gibb/index.html
Jessica,
I know the fans love those loyal special friends because it's a great excuse for them to keep believing in MJ's innocence. But not for me really. I'm more inclined to believe what you said. Like I mentioned when I heard Aaron's conversation with DB, he seemed to still have some affection for him (just listen to that song he sang lol) despite the creepy stuff he was telling her about. I guess it's similar for some of the other boys that befriended him.
Regarding the song, I think the weed incident happened in 2002 and that was the year when they recorded that song so I guess it was then. By the way I don't like that song at all but I don't think Michael sounds bad.
"Mike ended up calling Jonathan an orphan and he was his "daddy"."
Didn't some of his other special friends call him dad? I definitely read that Gavin did. I also seem to remember a part in the Statement of Probable Cause that describes MJ caressing Gavin and saying how much he wishes he was his father. If Michael molested children that he had paternal feelings for, I'm not so sure his own sons would be off limits.
Elena,
How do you know about that young man Michael bring with him in his honeymoon with Lisa?! Is there any reliable source?
Suzy, Elena was referring to Jimmy Safechuck. There are pics of him at the History teaser with him wearing Mike's sunglasses and holding an umbrella for him, and a pic where he was sitting in from of Mike's chair talking to him. He was I think 16 years old.
Elena, I agree with you. I think the fans are just keen to accept their word and not even delve deeper into other witness accounts that claim that the boys' relationships with mike were more than innocent. But of course, they don't extend the same level of believability to the witnesses. They will look and look to see if a witness has gotten money for their story or why didn't they call the police if they say this, they were a disgruntled employee etc, etc, basically any little thing will be used to question their credibility. I don't think it's fair. The fans cannot even fathom that Brett could just be obsessed with his "friend" Mike, or Omer was a special friend that is now trying to use his connection to further his career, or that Wade feels indebted to Mike for "discovering" him. Besides the fact that all of these men have gotten to know Mike deeper than just the sexual part, they like him as a friend and person. They will not tell on him. Look how the fans completely believed Aaron Carter's "positive" MJ interviews, him saying Mike kissed girls, knowing, logically, given the timing of these statements and Mike's history, this was probably a lie. Now, they say he's just a drug addict trying to resurrect his career, even though Aaron still, as you pointed out, really likes him despite of his creepiness. Hello, there are many people in prison that still have friends and family that love them despite their horrible crimes. Just because Mike molested these men when they were boys doesn't mean they will automatically hate him.
LOL, I think Mike sounded shrill in the song. I don't know what musical direction he was taking but for me, I'd never buy it.
Frenchie, it does seem like some of the special friends called him dad. Omer, Gavin, Jonathan. It also seems like the ones that dressed liked him were the ones he molested as well. I think he got off on that. Maybe them calling him daddy gave him more control to get what he wanted from them? But, I don't think he molested his own sons, but to molest another person's kid and have them call you daddy is pretty sick and twisted. I always wonder what makes pedos choose other kids over their own, or vice versa, when you'd think a kid is a kid.
I think this is Jimmy Safechuck now; he's a good-looking guy. Seriously, MJ's taste would have been impeccable if he waited a decade on these boys.
http://goo.gl/yGxhE
Yep, that looks like Jimmy (James) Safechuck. He's a pretty boy, isn't he? I'm glad he isn't a struggling actor or anything, that he in the software business.
It's still crazy that this dude was a special friend. It's pretty sick. How do they handle the images when they close their eyes at night? hopefully it isn't too bad.
for the record: latoya jackson was brutaly beaten by jack gordon in a hotel in rome (italy) in 1990. There are proofs of that. of course he said that some strangers came into the hotel room and beat latoya but ...well if this was true they were enough stupid to enter in the hotel room, and latoya was enough stupid to let them enter into the room,and he was stupid enough to do not do a thing against them. i'm not stupid enough to do not believe gordon was manipulative.
zeromarcy:
No one here denies that La Toya Jackson experienced abuse at the hands of Jack Gordon. No denies that. What we do deny is Jacko being innocent of sexually molesting boys; Jacko being a child molester and Jack Gordon being abusive are not mutually exclusive.
I've seen you elsewhere and I find it pretty pathetic that you feel the need to post here. Attempting to mask your obsession with this blog by pointing out crap everyone already knows suggests you have a low IQ. It wasn't that effective.
Return to Vindicate MJ, please; you will not convince anyone here that Jacko was St. Michael who covered his angel wings with makeup when he went outdoors.
Get thee gone, fanbot.
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