ETA 1-3-2012:
According to a new article in the UK's Daily Mail, Dr. Arnold Klein is now facing questions about his professional conduct as a doctor.
It wasn't long ago that I was forwarded frantic messages written by Klein with regards to the scrutiny he is now under:
And none of that takes into account his knack for lying without compunction.
From chauffeurs and Bentleys to prison and Skid Row?
ETA October 17, 2011:
The most controversial subject with regard to Michael Jackson is his somewhat nebulous sexuality. We are all fascinated by it and, as a result, the entries to which his sexuality is the subject are the most popular on this blog.
But our fascination is understandable; after all, Michael's music, his dancing, his on-stage 'wizardry' simply cannot compete with the gossipy nature of his somewhat freakish existence: the Jackson intra-familial warring; the seeming plastic surgery obsession that transformed an attractive black man into something tantamount to a bleached "space-alien drag queen" (to quote Madonna); the Demerol and pill addictions; the sham marriages, the boys; the continuous accusations of pedophilia; the secret payoffs...
The reality is nothing Michael Jackson could have ever done--be it in the studio or on stage--would be able to quell our desire for tabloidy Jackson 'dirt'. Had he lived to perform those fifty "This Is It" concerts in London's O2 Arena, nothing would enthrall us more than tales of his obvious boy-loving or incredible shrinking nose.
It is for these reasons that I write about these Jacko human interest stories.
Now, as Dr. Conrad Murray's trial for the 'murder' of Michael Jackson draws near, an old Jacko human interest story has made an inconspicuous redux.
I've mentioned before that I've chronicled the Jason Pfeiffer "Michael Jackson was my gay lover" story here on this blog back in early May of last year, all of the entries viewable via the Archives.
To give a brief summary, a corpulent man named Jason Pfieffer--friend and business partner of Michael Jackson's dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein--made the claim that he had been in some sort of romantic relationship with Michael Jackson shortly before Michael died from a Propofol overdose. Klein confirmed Jason's claims, stating that Michael Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality. Although Klein stated that the alleged Jason-Michael affair was the only homosexual relationship he was aware Michael Jackson had been in, he did not hesitate to say that Jason was "the love of Michael's life."
He also claimed to have 'walked in' on Jason and Michael Jackson when the two were 'shirtless'.
We should not soon forget that Klein defended his comments to the late Elizabeth Taylor, who admonished Klein, not for saying Michael Jackson was a homosexual, but for violating the confidentiality a patient has with his doctor.
Klein claimed that supporting the Jason Pfeiffer story and acknowledging Michael Jackson's homosexuality was part of 'invalidating' the pedophilia rumors that had dogged Michael Jackson's career since the early 1990s.
As a result of all of this revelatory tabloid fodder, Dr. Arnold Klein and Jason Pfeiffer received numerous death threats and went into hiding. The story cooled on its own, notwithstanding the fact many people disbelieved it in the first place.
(It should be noted that Jason Pfeiffer originally made his claims two months after Michael's death to the Australian magazine Woman's Day.)
If we fast forward almost a year, according to a March 30, 2011 Facebook post, Dr. Arnold Klein has now formally disavowed Jason's story as some fantastic concoction, one that was hashed out by Jason and other unscrupulous cohorts and fabricated by a 'ghost writer'.
I am sure all of this news will no doubt please the fans who have spent hours speculating in forums over Michael Jackson's alleged 'girlfriends', not to mention the ones who've written passionate yarns about Michael's virile maleness and insatiable lust for the opposite sex. For them, this will only verify that yet another blight against Michael Jackson's dubious heterosexuality has been eradicated.
For if Klein has admitted that Michael Jackson's alleged congress with Jason Pfeiffer was untrue, they'd say, who knows what else is also untrue, who knows what else could be disproved!
However, I am suspicious of Arnold Klein's admission.
The veracity of the Jason Pfeiffer story is not an issue; I would not be surprised if all of it was a 'big lie', a publicity grab. One must admit that, even if they believed Michael Jackson was a homosexual, as I do, such a thin, body-conscious man would be less likely to bed a conspicuous obesity victim.
Jason Pfeiffer is fat; there is no way around it, no matter how tantalizing his tale of love and sex with Michael Jackson had been. He had convinced me, and, to a certain extent he still does. The transcript of the interview he'd done with regard to Michael leaves me torn as to whether he was simply making everything up.
I cannot say for sure if I disbelieve Jason Pfeiffer. I can readily admit that his ability to have an answer for every question asked of him has thrown me for a loop. Even his seemingly fantastical explanation as to the consummation of he and Michael's 'relationship' at the very least blurred the lines between fact and fanfiction.
You will just have to rely on faith in my previous assertions of truth-telling as the foundation of your belief.
Interestingly enough, according to his interview, Jason Pfeiffer somewhat avoided answering the question about the Jackson children's perception of him in their father's life, employing the typical deceptive technique of addressing ancillary topics--such as Michael's own relationship with his children--before returning to the original query. He stated he did not know and assumed the children thought he was just another one of their father's 'friends'.
Given Jason's behavior with my friend, as well as his responses in his interview, I believe there exists a reasonable suspicion that Jason Pfeiffer had not been telling the truth about he and Michael Jackson's relationship; I suspect the two men were nothing more than friends.
I was told the Klein office staff disbelieves Jason Pfeiffer and claims Michael Jackson had 'no interest' in Jason. It should be noted these office staff do not believe Michael Jackson was a homosexual. This belief, of course, preceded Jason's claims and most likely shaped the staff's incredulity to the Jason-Michael love affair.
However, the point of this entry is not about whether Jason Pfeiffer's claims of being the intimate gay lover of Michael Jackson's were fibs; this entry is about Dr. Arnold Klein, Jason's erstwhile accomplice.
The Jason Pfeiffer story had long been dead by the time Arnold Klein typed his Facebook message 'exposing' Jason's 'lies', and one must realize that this redux of sorts has very suspicious and very deliberate timing.
For complete context, one must pay attention to developing events in Dr. Conrad Murray's case.
As I have noted near the opening of this entry, Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial has yet to commence, although it is said that the tentative trial date is set sometime this summer; of course, Murray has issued his 'Not Guilty' plea, citing that his deceased patient was a hardcore drug addict and he essentially had no idea what kind of substances, at any given time, were circulating through Michael Jackson's bloodstream. All current court proceedings are still at the preliminary stage.
Murray's defense--at least what we can make of it at this point--is centered on Michael Jackson being a long-time drug abuser with a fleet of doctors constantly refreshing his 'stash' of chemical goodies.
Whether it will be a shot in the dark or a proverbial bull's eye, the Murray defense team has decided--unsurprisingly--to place its target on Dr. Arnold Klein: he has been accused, according to court papers, of peddling Demerol to Michael Jackson to the point Michael was both physically and psychologically dependent upon them.
This Facebook post was not a repudiation of Michael Jackson's homosexuality. According to the statement analysis technique, Klein's use of "at this time" to describe the current state of evidence indicating Michael Jackson was gay is not saying Michael Jackson was not gay; unbeknownst to Klein, he merely stated that there was no 'good evidence' suggesting Michael was gay at this moment, so much so he could reasonably distance himself from the story.
However, he did not emphatically deny Michael Jackson's homosexuality.
To some readers, this may seem like semantics; here we had Klein declaring Michael Jackson was not gay--why is this not enough to convince Desiree that he sincerely believes Michael Jackson was not a homosexual?
Because it is not.
This view is only compounded by the fact Dr. Arnold Klein jumped from an attempt at persuading the readers of his post that Michael was not gay to blaming the story on Jason Pfeiffer, a story Klein participated in giving statements which supported it. Klein did not claim, however, that he was a pawn in this scheme; he did not claim he had been used.
Klein goes on to apologize for the pain it may have caused the Jackson family (of course, he lashes out at La Toya Jackson for calling Michael Jackson a pedophile). However, he had no intentions to apologize after he'd been chastised by Elizabeth Taylor for spilling the proverbial beans or when Michael's father and siblings called him a 'liar'. Instead, Klein continued to state Michael was gay.
It's worth repeating that Dr. Arnold Klein saw no problem in discussing Michael Jackson's private sexuality with the global press almost a year ago. If Michael Jackson or his family had wanted to at least keep that part of Michael hidden from the public, Klein trampled that goal underfoot.
According to the statement analysis technique, Klein's apology--in the context of him having distanced himself from the Jason Pfeiffer story--is an admission of wrong-doing.
This view that has Klein admitting his previous faux pas is compounded by his disjointed bringing up of the 'pedophilia accusations'. He uses this as a way to sort of assuage the 'doubts' fans, friends, and family of Michael Jackson have about him: Klein was 'altruistic' in his attempts to erase that part of Michael Jackson's legacy from the public's collective conscious, even if it meant saying a seemingly gay performer was a homosexual.
Notice that Klein conspicuously held on to this notion of putting the pedophilia 'rumors' to rest, the same reason he and Jason used to justify telling the world Michael was gay. His use of 'nevertheless' as a segue reveals that Klein, despite his previous apology to the Jackson family, is not remorseful for his previous actions.
But what does all of this mean in the context of Dr. Conrad Murray's trial rounding the corner?
If we briefly note the timeline, Klein's 'admission' coincides with Team Murray's request for his medical records. Of course, we don't know what those medical records hold but they must contain something Klein hoped to keep hidden from the court and the media, who'd presumably document the trial during its duration. The defense investigators obviously snooped around enough to finger Klein as someone who'd been uniquely complicit in Michael Jackson's decades-long use of Demerol and other prescription drugs.
Why else would they want something from Dr. Arnold Klein? Are they merely "clutching at straws"?
It is my belief--and I believe it is not a baseless one--that Klein has now (officially) pushed Jason under the bus as a way to win Brownie points with a public deeply mistrustful of him before the shit hits the proverbial fan come trial time.
Again, we must remember that the fact Klein has been repeatedly pointed out as one of Michael Jackson's doctors who'd given Michael drugs--not to mention Klein did not help himself in showing proof that he'd injected Michael 51 times with Demerol--means there exists a reasonable suspicion that Klein was complicit in Michael's drug addictions.
According to a Time magazine article dating back to 1993, Klein's history of peddling dope to Michael has been on-going since his infamous Pepsi scalp burn, when he needed Demerol to reduce the pain of excruciating reconstructive work.
Come trial time, all of Michael's drug demons will be brought into the light in ugly detail. Among these revelations will include names of doctors who'd fueled his addictions, either for sycophantic reasons, like Klein, or purely for money.
Dr. Arnold Klein knows his days are numbered and his actions now--blaming AEG and other doctors for Michael Jackson's death and distancing himself from the Jason Pfeiffer story--are all proactive damage prevention measures. Although he may never land in jail for his culpability in Michael Jackson's drug habit, his past unscrupulousness will do something to his career.
And his unscrupulousness knows no bounds.
My friend Pippa and I are diametrically opposed in our opinions about Klein. I have never met him, of course, while Pippa has spent what they describe as wonderful evenings with this man, and they consider him charming, witty, gracious. I do not doubt any of this regardless of our disagreements about him; Klein, in spite of his obvious celebrity-chasing, publicity-seeking, and lying ways, probably is a nice guy.
Nevertheless, my friend has shared with me truly telling anecdotes about Klein that reveal his true nature, and none of it is flattering.
For one thing, Dr. Arnold Klein still believes himself to be the father of Michael Jackson's eldest children, Prince and Paris Jackson, and, apparently, at least tells this to his closest friends. According to Pippa, Klein claims he can prove he is the father of these kids because they left DNA--presumably hairs, although they are unsure--all around his house when they came over; presumably Klein still 'has' the children's hair samples. He then stated that this DNA he claims to have will be his "trump card" to play if need be.
All of this was in the context of him being a victim of a 'smear campaign' by AEG, Jackson estate lawyer, Howard Weitzman, TMZ's Harvey Levin, and a fleet other shady, nameless villains, real or imagined.
Two snippets of Klein's Facebook comments surrounding the conspiracy against him:
If the heat from these entities becomes too much, Klein will assert his paternity in the press. It should be noted that, according to my friend, Klein gave an emphatic "no" when asked if he had seen Prince and Paris Jackson since Michael Jackson's death.
How Klein feels this will give him legitimacy is anyone's guess. The point, however, is that it shows a lack of caring for Michael and especially his children, all of it, of course, being indicative of the systemic unscrupulousness affecting his relationship with Michael Jackson.
As an aside, I do not believe Klein is the father of those children, although, at this point, one can never be too sure about anything in the World of Jacko. The point is not whether it is true--and I disbelieve it--but that it shows Klein's lack of scruples: he will say whatever is expedient.
And where does all of this leave Jason Pfeiffer and Michael Jackson's homosexuality?
As I have shown, Dr. Arnold Klein is only now distancing himself from a story he helped develop or, at least, pushed Jason to share, because it has become convenient to do so. His apologies were not heartfelt, but self-serving.
Interestingly enough, when Pippa asked Klein recently if Jason had been lying, his reaction was several days of complete avoidant silence, some could argue it had a touch of cruelty. I told her his lack of an answer--and he never answered the question--was an answer in and of itself: either Jason Pfeiffer was telling the truth about he and Michael and Klein was needlessly slandering Jason over a business squabble (Pippa stated Klein claimed Jason stole from him and would be in jail soon), or that the whole story was a just another one of Krazy Klein's publicity schemes.
I am betting on the latter.
The reason I brought up Dr. Arnold Klein's March 30, 2011 Facebook message was because he denied Michael Jackson was gay, and, as I've articulated in this entry, it means nothing.
We should not soon forget that it was here on this blog that I revealed the "14 Items" motion written and filed by Michael Jackson's defense team during his 2005 child molestation and conspiracy trial. Within that document, we learned a nexus existed between Michael Jackson and the semen stains of three different males on the singer's bed mattress and in sheets and underwear kept together with his own soiled underwear.
In the face of such 'explosive proof' of Michael Jackson's homosexuality, Klein's lukewarm denial will do nothing to repudiate the reality of Michael's predilections, including those for young boys.
On April 6th, TMZ reported that Klein was forced by the judge to turn over documents to the Murray's attorneys.
As of yet, there has been no information leaked to the media about what is in Klein's confidential medical records of Michael Jackson. But if what has been said so far about Klein's involvement in Michael Jackson's drug addiction is only the tip of the iceberg, he will need to conduct much better damage prevention than squealing about AEG and calling Jason Pfeiffer a liar.
According to a new article in the UK's Daily Mail, Dr. Arnold Klein is now facing questions about his professional conduct as a doctor.
It wasn't long ago that I was forwarded frantic messages written by Klein with regards to the scrutiny he is now under:
Professor of Medicine and DermatologyThe second message:
UCLA
Klein Chair in Dermatology UCLA
Consultant to the General and Plastic Surgery Devices Panel of the FDA.
To whom it may concern:
The Cal Med Board is guilty of both fraudulent and criminal acts towards me as well as a significant conflict of interest. The patient described below obtained patient care from me under false pretenses. In fact, the mere suggestion that the provision of medical care is carried out under false pretenses is illegal.
. Today I saw a patient, examined his skin and told him my findings. He claimed that he was a Jewish-Mexican from Culver City. I cannot discuss my findings on his skin exam because this would violate HIPAA. After I examined his skin he presented me with a subpoena from the California Medical Board issued by Kimberly Wilson and paid me with a fraudulent credit card. For Kimberly Wilson to use such criminal and fraudulent means to serve me a subpoena is illegal and I feel she has proved herself unfit to evaluate any aspect of my medical practice or the Jackson Case. Furthermore I cannot discuss findings on this patient it that it would violate HIPAA. In fact this entire occurrence is a total violation of doctor patient confidentiality and was a conflict of interest on the part of the supposed patient who served the paper. As you may not be aware Jason Pfeiffer, Muhammad Khiilji and other individuals who embezzled 20 million dollars from me have now made complaints about my competency as a physician to the board. In response to this The Cal Med Board has called a hearing to which I made my pharmacy Attorney Herb Weinberg aware. Obviously he did not respond to their requests so today the board subjected me to the criminal and fraudulent acts as described above. These acts I feel are a strong indicator of how the medical board plans to handle my case. It should be noted:
1)In 1985 I complained to the Ca Med Board that UCLA Dept of Pathology would not section tissue of an HIV positive patient. The Board did not respond.
2)In 2007 I complained to the Ca Med Board about an unlicensed foreign physician Gottfried Lemperle injecting women’s faces with plexiglass. The Board did not respond.
3) I have notified then Ca Medical Board that both Allergan and Medicis have employed foreign unlicensed physicians without green cards to practice in California. The Board did not respond.
4)Mickey Fine Pharmacy has been guilty of renewing my prescriptions without calling my treating doctors and saying I self-prescribed
5)MF was also guilty of giving out dated narcotics to one of my employees for destruction. Destruction of narcotics can only be performed by two people and this employee was a recovering addict. Subsequently this employee died of a narcotic overdose.
6)The records of Michael Jackson were illegally released violating HIPAA. Again this was reported to the medical board
7)I was not the physician administering Demerol in my office in May 2009 to Mr Jackson. It was Dr.David Rish and Dr.Illya Reyterwho should also be called if this investigation involves Mr Jackson.
8) I have been cleared The Coroner in the Jackson case did not find any Demerol in his toxicology analysis which rules out any possible involvement by myself in the death of Michael Jackson.
9) Currently the case against the individuals who embezzled 20 million dollars from me also involves an act of attempted homicide by them against me.
The California Medical Board acts are now criminal,fraudulent and involve obtaining medical care from me under false pretenses and then refusing payment for the same services. Furthermore, I refuse to allow Kimberly Wilson to evaluate me. She is guilty of fraud, criminal action as well as elder abuse and violation of ADA. I strongly feel this hearing is an act of harassment and the lack of Herb Weinberg’s response to my multiple emails (saying he is now employed by Mickey Fine Pharmacy) indicates he is somehow in collusion with Mickey Fine. I refuse to allow these people to sit in judgement of me or my ability to practice medicine. Finally if this investigation involves the treatment of Mr Jackson I demand Dr.David Rish and Dr.Illya Reytermust also be called.AWK
The California Medical board: A Novel by KafkaThursday, December 1, 2011 at 11:42amDear Mr Weinberg,As my attorney who is dealing with the Ca Med Board their rules clearly state it is illegal to seek medical care under false pretenses.To obtain medical care under false pretenses and present a fraudulent credit card is both an act of theft and violates the manner in which medical care can be delivered in the State of California. I have reported this behavior as an act of theft to both the Ca Medical Board and the Beverly Hills Police in that they stole my services. Furthermore for Ms. Wilson to tell Ellen "I am going to get him" when she was unaware of who treated Michael Jackson on the dates in the chart and also the underlying situation of identity theft is a very sloppy investigation. I will not allow her to repeat the ridiculous behavior during the Murray trial during when the defense attorney stated I treated Michael during dates I was in Europe, Also we now have firm evidence that two of the individuals suggesting I was unable to practice were overdosing me with Warfarin and changed my will making them my heirs without a notary in the middle of the night.This is attempted homicide. Ms. Wilson's has exhibited Elder Abuse towards me and my services as a physician and failed to respect the guidelines of the ADA. I have now reported Ms Wilson's actions to the medical board and request her immediate replacement as my investigator. Furthermore, the hearing date must be rescheduled in light of the investigation of the attempted homicide by two of my employees.. Furthermore, the medical board must understand that while the two individuals who worked for me tried to kill me also another of my employees who was also part of the group embezzling money from me was found dead on a park bench of a drug overdose coincidentally t on 6th Street (the street of my residence) and this may not be a self administered drug overdose but the work of the same individuals who tried to kill me . I am appalled by the behavior of the California Medical Board . My recent reappointment to the FDA and rating as the #1 cosmetic dermatologist in the US suggests the Ca Medical Board is on a witch hunt. Remember if any of this concerns Ms. Jackson's unauthorized request to examine Mr Jackson records the two other doctors must be called. If this concern's my ability to practice or allegations by Jason Pfeiffer he is one of the two individuals who tried to kill me and possibly attempted to kill Bruce. Furthermore, Rish,Pfeiffer and Khilji are already guilty of releasing false information concerning my health which is a violation of my civil rights in that Jason and Pfeiffer signed confidentiality agreements and Rish was my treating physician. Finally if you are truly concerned with ability to practice I suggest you discuss it with my physicians who will assure you I am both physically and mentally healthier than I have ever been in the last 15 years. AWKleinNow, there is no question that Dr. Arnold Klein is a talented dermatologist--he'd did incredibly beautiful work on my ersatz informant featured within this article--but his delusions of grandeur, his ability to turn loving friendships into bitter vendettas, and his willingness to push other people under the bus would undoubtedly be his downfall.
And none of that takes into account his knack for lying without compunction.
From chauffeurs and Bentleys to prison and Skid Row?
ETA October 17, 2011:
Although I remained cautiously optimistic but mostly skeptical about Jason Pfeiffer's relationship with Michael Jackson when I first wrote this piece, I now completely believe that Jason Pfeiffer did, in fact, have a relationship with Jackson. How do I know? Because following the publishing of this piece, Jason contacted me and we discussed what all fans want to know. The result was that Jason was not only credible but also extremely genuine.
I had no reason to doubt his claim, and I am not one to just believe anything. If anyone spoke with Jason, they would believe him in an instant. He displayed not a hint of pretense. In other words, Jason Pfeiffer is the real deal. I believe he'd had a romantic, sexual friendship with Michael Jackson.
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The most controversial subject with regard to Michael Jackson is his somewhat nebulous sexuality. We are all fascinated by it and, as a result, the entries to which his sexuality is the subject are the most popular on this blog.
But our fascination is understandable; after all, Michael's music, his dancing, his on-stage 'wizardry' simply cannot compete with the gossipy nature of his somewhat freakish existence: the Jackson intra-familial warring; the seeming plastic surgery obsession that transformed an attractive black man into something tantamount to a bleached "space-alien drag queen" (to quote Madonna); the Demerol and pill addictions; the sham marriages, the boys; the continuous accusations of pedophilia; the secret payoffs...
The reality is nothing Michael Jackson could have ever done--be it in the studio or on stage--would be able to quell our desire for tabloidy Jackson 'dirt'. Had he lived to perform those fifty "This Is It" concerts in London's O2 Arena, nothing would enthrall us more than tales of his obvious boy-loving or incredible shrinking nose.
It is for these reasons that I write about these Jacko human interest stories.
Now, as Dr. Conrad Murray's trial for the 'murder' of Michael Jackson draws near, an old Jacko human interest story has made an inconspicuous redux.
I've mentioned before that I've chronicled the Jason Pfeiffer "Michael Jackson was my gay lover" story here on this blog back in early May of last year, all of the entries viewable via the Archives.
To give a brief summary, a corpulent man named Jason Pfieffer--friend and business partner of Michael Jackson's dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein--made the claim that he had been in some sort of romantic relationship with Michael Jackson shortly before Michael died from a Propofol overdose. Klein confirmed Jason's claims, stating that Michael Jackson never tried to hide his sexuality. Although Klein stated that the alleged Jason-Michael affair was the only homosexual relationship he was aware Michael Jackson had been in, he did not hesitate to say that Jason was "the love of Michael's life."
He also claimed to have 'walked in' on Jason and Michael Jackson when the two were 'shirtless'.
We should not soon forget that Klein defended his comments to the late Elizabeth Taylor, who admonished Klein, not for saying Michael Jackson was a homosexual, but for violating the confidentiality a patient has with his doctor.
Klein claimed that supporting the Jason Pfeiffer story and acknowledging Michael Jackson's homosexuality was part of 'invalidating' the pedophilia rumors that had dogged Michael Jackson's career since the early 1990s.
As a result of all of this revelatory tabloid fodder, Dr. Arnold Klein and Jason Pfeiffer received numerous death threats and went into hiding. The story cooled on its own, notwithstanding the fact many people disbelieved it in the first place.
(It should be noted that Jason Pfeiffer originally made his claims two months after Michael's death to the Australian magazine Woman's Day.)
If we fast forward almost a year, according to a March 30, 2011 Facebook post, Dr. Arnold Klein has now formally disavowed Jason's story as some fantastic concoction, one that was hashed out by Jason and other unscrupulous cohorts and fabricated by a 'ghost writer'.
For if Klein has admitted that Michael Jackson's alleged congress with Jason Pfeiffer was untrue, they'd say, who knows what else is also untrue, who knows what else could be disproved!
However, I am suspicious of Arnold Klein's admission.
The veracity of the Jason Pfeiffer story is not an issue; I would not be surprised if all of it was a 'big lie', a publicity grab. One must admit that, even if they believed Michael Jackson was a homosexual, as I do, such a thin, body-conscious man would be less likely to bed a conspicuous obesity victim.
Jason Pfeiffer is fat; there is no way around it, no matter how tantalizing his tale of love and sex with Michael Jackson had been. He had convinced me, and, to a certain extent he still does. The transcript of the interview he'd done with regard to Michael leaves me torn as to whether he was simply making everything up.
I cannot say for sure if I disbelieve Jason Pfeiffer. I can readily admit that his ability to have an answer for every question asked of him has thrown me for a loop. Even his seemingly fantastical explanation as to the consummation of he and Michael's 'relationship' at the very least blurred the lines between fact and fanfiction.
I should note that Dr. Arnold Klein and myself have a mutual friend named Pippa Hudson. As proof of the veracity of her connection to the Good Doctor and Jason Pfeiffer, I provide photos of her with both of them.
You will just have to rely on faith in my previous assertions of truth-telling as the foundation of your belief.
Pippa has confided in me many things about Klein, as well as a telling excursion she'd had with Jason Pfieffer a few months after the "I was Michael Jackson's lover" story had broken in May.
Of course, it is your decision as to what it means; it could mean a lot or nothing at all...
According to Pippa, she and Jason Pfeiffer had a night out on the town in Los Angeles where they attended an undisclosed event. Also in attendence, she noticed, was Michael Jackson's children, seated in their vicinity. Pippa says her eyes met with Paris Jackson's and the girl gave a sweet smile.
Some time passes at this event and a small Michael Jackson tribute breaks out in lieu of the normal event processions. Pippa found this to be 'moving', these tributes to Michael, but noticed that Jason was furiously texting away on this phone, not paying attention any of it. She says she found this to be 'odd'. She claims to have seen Jason doing this numerous times throughout the event when they, at least, felt 'Michael Jackson's lover' should be taking in such festivities.
As the event continued on in these Michael Jackson tributes, Jason was otherwise unmoved, Pippa says.
The most curious part of the evening, my friend reports, was when Michael Jackson's children walked behind their row of seats. While Pippa looked at the children--like most people in their vicinity did--she says that Jason sort of slumped down in his chair and 'hid himself' from the children's gaze. Pippa thought that, too, was odd.
The event, she says, turned into a 'mini memorial' for Michael Jackson. When Pippa and Jason returned to their limousine, she said Jason was completely mum about the tribute aspect of the event. However, she did not prod Jason about his feelings, as she thought it would be nosy. The evening ended pleasantly, although Pippa says that was the last time she had seen Jason despite their plans to meet up later on in the year.
Jason Pfeiffer was soon excised from Klein's dermatology office.[.]
This anecdote is 100 percent true, as I have seen the picture taken that evening of Jason and Pippa.
One could argue that Jason's behavior at the event--his constant texting and being 'untouched' by the tributes--means nothing at all; he could have simply been disinterested. Perhaps Jason did not want to discuss the tributes with my friend following the event because the loss of his lover was still an emotional sore spot. However, this does not adequately explain why Jason 'hid' from Michael Jackson's children.
This hiding he'd done is odd if one considers that Jason Pfeiffer was at Dr. Arnold Klein's house along with the Jackson children during 'Michael's last Christmas' in December 2008.
Notice how Jason also avoided giving a response as to whether the children were comfortable around him. One could argue Jason and Michael Jackson's children were not as 'close' as one would expect a lover to be to their lover's children.
Given Jason's behavior with my friend, as well as his responses in his interview, I believe there exists a reasonable suspicion that Jason Pfeiffer had not been telling the truth about he and Michael Jackson's relationship; I suspect the two men were nothing more than friends.
I was told the Klein office staff disbelieves Jason Pfeiffer and claims Michael Jackson had 'no interest' in Jason. It should be noted these office staff do not believe Michael Jackson was a homosexual. This belief, of course, preceded Jason's claims and most likely shaped the staff's incredulity to the Jason-Michael love affair.
However, the point of this entry is not about whether Jason Pfeiffer's claims of being the intimate gay lover of Michael Jackson's were fibs; this entry is about Dr. Arnold Klein, Jason's erstwhile accomplice.
The Jason Pfeiffer story had long been dead by the time Arnold Klein typed his Facebook message 'exposing' Jason's 'lies', and one must realize that this redux of sorts has very suspicious and very deliberate timing.
For complete context, one must pay attention to developing events in Dr. Conrad Murray's case.
As I have noted near the opening of this entry, Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial has yet to commence, although it is said that the tentative trial date is set sometime this summer; of course, Murray has issued his 'Not Guilty' plea, citing that his deceased patient was a hardcore drug addict and he essentially had no idea what kind of substances, at any given time, were circulating through Michael Jackson's bloodstream. All current court proceedings are still at the preliminary stage.
Murray's defense--at least what we can make of it at this point--is centered on Michael Jackson being a long-time drug abuser with a fleet of doctors constantly refreshing his 'stash' of chemical goodies.
Whether it will be a shot in the dark or a proverbial bull's eye, the Murray defense team has decided--unsurprisingly--to place its target on Dr. Arnold Klein: he has been accused, according to court papers, of peddling Demerol to Michael Jackson to the point Michael was both physically and psychologically dependent upon them.
None of this should be entirely new.
As we approach the second anniversary of Michael Jackson's death, it is now well known he had been a hardcore drug addict for a number of years, Demerol being his drug of choice. I would not be hesitant to say Michael Jackson's sole purpose for doing the "This Is It" concerts was to rake in money to fund his drug and shopping addictions.
It should also not be new information that Klein, as well as an array of other doctors who managed to escape scrutiny, gave Michael Jackson drugs. After all, Klein--whether by his own stupidity or a lust for publicity, broadcasted to the world he'd given Michael 51 intramuscular injections of Demerol within the last three months of Michael's life, even going so far as to leak the document proof to the media.
It wasn't too long ago that Michael Jackson's former makeup artist, Karen Faye, claimed one of Michael's assistants told her Michael had been visiting Klein's office three to four times a week; Michael appeared to be under the influence of drugs; and, on the days Michael seemed sober, Michael's manager stated it was because "Klein was out of town."
Of course, we cannot verify whether Faye's statement is true, but, nonetheless, I was told the day this story broke in the media, Klein had been--to use their words--"running around like a squealing piglet" on his Facebook page blaming AEG for Michael Jackson's death, attempting to absolve himself of any nexus to it. My friend later told me that Klein deleted all of his comments about the situation "during the night".
Perhaps what Faye said had struck a nerve in the Good Doctor.
Given Dr. Arnold Klein's behavior, it is no surprise that, upon finding out he could be a potential witness in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial and that the Murray defense team subpoenaed Michael Jackson's medical records with Klein, Klein's attorneys moved to quash that subpoena, citing Michael Jackson's right to privacy and the privilege existing between patient and physician.
I was informed by Pippa that Klein stated the Murray defense team was "clutching at straws" in subpoenaing his records, presumably because his records contained nothing that would bolster Murray's defense. My friend stated they thought it was odd Klein would try to quash the subpoena if he had nothing to hide.
Murray's attorneys believed they had good standing to request Klein's records of Michael Jackson and asserted Klein had already waived this physician-patient privilege by giving these same confidential and private records over to the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office.
Murray's attorneys have a point.
If we think of it holistically, Dr. Arnold Klein has had no problem 'sharing' his deceased patient's private information in the press. (Of course, his forthcomingness with 'confidential and private' documents is ebbed when a subpoena is delivered at his doorstep or when the police is on the hunt for evidence; after all, back in 1993 Dr. Klein did keep Michael Jackson's medical records in the trunk of his car when Santa Barbara and Los Angeles detectives were looking for information to corroborate Jordie Chandler's description of Michael's genitals.)
It was only a few weeks following Michael's death that Arnold Klein appeared on Larry King Live and other talk shows, speaking of alleged paternity of the Jackson children and Michael Jackson's lupus and vitiligo therapies in explicit, painful detail.
Klein had no problem discussing Michael Jackson's nexus to propofol before it caused Michael's death.
Klein had no problem speaking about Michael Jackson being gay.
It is almost ironic that Klein would assert any kind of privilege given his loose lips!
Though Klein could flap his gums about these intimate Jackson issues, as well as speedily cooperate with the LA County Coroner, he was suddenly very reluctant to share medical records with Murray's attorneys in this upcoming involuntary manslaughter trial.
One has to wonder why.
Let's return to the Jason Pfeiffer story for a moment.
Whether the tale is true or not is irrelevant but, according to Jason Pfeiffer, Klein had been in on the Michael Jackson-Jason Pfeiffer gay love story.
Jason Pfeiffer told an unnamed friend--apparently via Facebook--that the interview later released to Extra TV was done during a Phoenix, Arizona dermatology convention several months before the May 2010 edition of the story broke in the media, and that he and Klein both were interviewed by a friend of Klein's.
As per Jason's account, Klein was the first to mention the gay love affair between Jason and Michael; Jason was then exhorted to detail the story--against his wishes, as he claims, since he wanted to keep he and Michael's 'relationship' private--as a way to quell the Jackson pedophilia innuendo.
Of course, given Arnold Klein's March 30th repudiation of Jason's story as 'lies', it is possible that back in May 2010, Jason baselessly implicated Klein in the formation of the whole story hitting the media, while Klein was simply a hangers-on. However, I doubt this. While I do believe Klein suffers from a 'planning' deficit which invariably leads to his own statements not adding up, Klein is too intelligent to be swept away in some publicity farce.
Again, I find Dr. Arnold Klein's 'admission' of sorts against Jason Pfeiffer suspicious... and convenient. Let's look back at what Klein had written:
Michael Jackson's sexuality? I do not believe at this time there is any evidence to indicate that he was gay. Jason Pfeiffer an ex-emloyee of mine together with a lawyer,my ex-accountant and a shady business man sold the story of Jason's so-called affair with Michael to the foreign press as well as the US media. I recently found out this story was fabricated my (sic) a ghost writer. I apologize to Michael's family for any damage this might have caused. Nevertheless, I feel the accusations of Michael's so called pedophilia forced him to live a tortured life with even his own sister accusing him of this behavior.I have mentioned before on this blog that I am well-versed in a technique of detecting deception called "statement analysis".
This Facebook post was not a repudiation of Michael Jackson's homosexuality. According to the statement analysis technique, Klein's use of "at this time" to describe the current state of evidence indicating Michael Jackson was gay is not saying Michael Jackson was not gay; unbeknownst to Klein, he merely stated that there was no 'good evidence' suggesting Michael was gay at this moment, so much so he could reasonably distance himself from the story.
However, he did not emphatically deny Michael Jackson's homosexuality.
To some readers, this may seem like semantics; here we had Klein declaring Michael Jackson was not gay--why is this not enough to convince Desiree that he sincerely believes Michael Jackson was not a homosexual?
Because it is not.
This view is only compounded by the fact Dr. Arnold Klein jumped from an attempt at persuading the readers of his post that Michael was not gay to blaming the story on Jason Pfeiffer, a story Klein participated in giving statements which supported it. Klein did not claim, however, that he was a pawn in this scheme; he did not claim he had been used.
Klein goes on to apologize for the pain it may have caused the Jackson family (of course, he lashes out at La Toya Jackson for calling Michael Jackson a pedophile). However, he had no intentions to apologize after he'd been chastised by Elizabeth Taylor for spilling the proverbial beans or when Michael's father and siblings called him a 'liar'. Instead, Klein continued to state Michael was gay.
It's worth repeating that Dr. Arnold Klein saw no problem in discussing Michael Jackson's private sexuality with the global press almost a year ago. If Michael Jackson or his family had wanted to at least keep that part of Michael hidden from the public, Klein trampled that goal underfoot.
According to the statement analysis technique, Klein's apology--in the context of him having distanced himself from the Jason Pfeiffer story--is an admission of wrong-doing.
This view that has Klein admitting his previous faux pas is compounded by his disjointed bringing up of the 'pedophilia accusations'. He uses this as a way to sort of assuage the 'doubts' fans, friends, and family of Michael Jackson have about him: Klein was 'altruistic' in his attempts to erase that part of Michael Jackson's legacy from the public's collective conscious, even if it meant saying a seemingly gay performer was a homosexual.
Notice that Klein conspicuously held on to this notion of putting the pedophilia 'rumors' to rest, the same reason he and Jason used to justify telling the world Michael was gay. His use of 'nevertheless' as a segue reveals that Klein, despite his previous apology to the Jackson family, is not remorseful for his previous actions.
But what does all of this mean in the context of Dr. Conrad Murray's trial rounding the corner?
If we briefly note the timeline, Klein's 'admission' coincides with Team Murray's request for his medical records. Of course, we don't know what those medical records hold but they must contain something Klein hoped to keep hidden from the court and the media, who'd presumably document the trial during its duration. The defense investigators obviously snooped around enough to finger Klein as someone who'd been uniquely complicit in Michael Jackson's decades-long use of Demerol and other prescription drugs.
Why else would they want something from Dr. Arnold Klein? Are they merely "clutching at straws"?
It is my belief--and I believe it is not a baseless one--that Klein has now (officially) pushed Jason under the bus as a way to win Brownie points with a public deeply mistrustful of him before the shit hits the proverbial fan come trial time.
Again, we must remember that the fact Klein has been repeatedly pointed out as one of Michael Jackson's doctors who'd given Michael drugs--not to mention Klein did not help himself in showing proof that he'd injected Michael 51 times with Demerol--means there exists a reasonable suspicion that Klein was complicit in Michael's drug addictions.
According to a Time magazine article dating back to 1993, Klein's history of peddling dope to Michael has been on-going since his infamous Pepsi scalp burn, when he needed Demerol to reduce the pain of excruciating reconstructive work.
Come trial time, all of Michael's drug demons will be brought into the light in ugly detail. Among these revelations will include names of doctors who'd fueled his addictions, either for sycophantic reasons, like Klein, or purely for money.
Dr. Arnold Klein knows his days are numbered and his actions now--blaming AEG and other doctors for Michael Jackson's death and distancing himself from the Jason Pfeiffer story--are all proactive damage prevention measures. Although he may never land in jail for his culpability in Michael Jackson's drug habit, his past unscrupulousness will do something to his career.
And his unscrupulousness knows no bounds.
My friend Pippa and I are diametrically opposed in our opinions about Klein. I have never met him, of course, while Pippa has spent what they describe as wonderful evenings with this man, and they consider him charming, witty, gracious. I do not doubt any of this regardless of our disagreements about him; Klein, in spite of his obvious celebrity-chasing, publicity-seeking, and lying ways, probably is a nice guy.
Nevertheless, my friend has shared with me truly telling anecdotes about Klein that reveal his true nature, and none of it is flattering.
For one thing, Dr. Arnold Klein still believes himself to be the father of Michael Jackson's eldest children, Prince and Paris Jackson, and, apparently, at least tells this to his closest friends. According to Pippa, Klein claims he can prove he is the father of these kids because they left DNA--presumably hairs, although they are unsure--all around his house when they came over; presumably Klein still 'has' the children's hair samples. He then stated that this DNA he claims to have will be his "trump card" to play if need be.
All of this was in the context of him being a victim of a 'smear campaign' by AEG, Jackson estate lawyer, Howard Weitzman, TMZ's Harvey Levin, and a fleet other shady, nameless villains, real or imagined.
Two snippets of Klein's Facebook comments surrounding the conspiracy against him:
If the heat from these entities becomes too much, Klein will assert his paternity in the press. It should be noted that, according to my friend, Klein gave an emphatic "no" when asked if he had seen Prince and Paris Jackson since Michael Jackson's death.
How Klein feels this will give him legitimacy is anyone's guess. The point, however, is that it shows a lack of caring for Michael and especially his children, all of it, of course, being indicative of the systemic unscrupulousness affecting his relationship with Michael Jackson.
As an aside, I do not believe Klein is the father of those children, although, at this point, one can never be too sure about anything in the World of Jacko. The point is not whether it is true--and I disbelieve it--but that it shows Klein's lack of scruples: he will say whatever is expedient.
And where does all of this leave Jason Pfeiffer and Michael Jackson's homosexuality?
As I have shown, Dr. Arnold Klein is only now distancing himself from a story he helped develop or, at least, pushed Jason to share, because it has become convenient to do so. His apologies were not heartfelt, but self-serving.
Interestingly enough, when Pippa asked Klein recently if Jason had been lying, his reaction was several days of complete avoidant silence, some could argue it had a touch of cruelty. I told her his lack of an answer--and he never answered the question--was an answer in and of itself: either Jason Pfeiffer was telling the truth about he and Michael and Klein was needlessly slandering Jason over a business squabble (Pippa stated Klein claimed Jason stole from him and would be in jail soon), or that the whole story was a just another one of Krazy Klein's publicity schemes.
I am betting on the latter.
The reason I brought up Dr. Arnold Klein's March 30, 2011 Facebook message was because he denied Michael Jackson was gay, and, as I've articulated in this entry, it means nothing.
We should not soon forget that it was here on this blog that I revealed the "14 Items" motion written and filed by Michael Jackson's defense team during his 2005 child molestation and conspiracy trial. Within that document, we learned a nexus existed between Michael Jackson and the semen stains of three different males on the singer's bed mattress and in sheets and underwear kept together with his own soiled underwear.
In the face of such 'explosive proof' of Michael Jackson's homosexuality, Klein's lukewarm denial will do nothing to repudiate the reality of Michael's predilections, including those for young boys.
On April 6th, TMZ reported that Klein was forced by the judge to turn over documents to the Murray's attorneys.
As of yet, there has been no information leaked to the media about what is in Klein's confidential medical records of Michael Jackson. But if what has been said so far about Klein's involvement in Michael Jackson's drug addiction is only the tip of the iceberg, he will need to conduct much better damage prevention than squealing about AEG and calling Jason Pfeiffer a liar.
116 comments:
Oh course Jason was not telling the truth! LOL. Mike would not be with a fat man, I'm sorry. But great post. That was a very telling story about Jason cowering when he saw Mike's kids. He wouldn't be doing that if he was indeed a lover of Mike's. Remember, Krazy Klein, as you called him, said that Mike "never hid" his sexuality. So why then would a lover hide from his lover's children, unless a) Mike really was on the Down Low with Jason, or b) Jason didn't want Paris, Prince, or Blanket to kick his large ass!
Mike was gay, yes, but this was a story concocted by greedy Klein. He is trying to play the victim, but he never cared about Mike. All he cares about is publicity for himself. I think he viewed Mike, and other celebrities, as his raison d'être; he would just die if he wasn't allowed to be connected with the rich and famous. It's sickening. That's the reason, in my opinion, that he gleefully furnished Mike with Demerol. I hope Murray's trial ends this asshole's career.
You are right about the statement, it was NOT a strong denial of Mike's homosexuality at all. What does "not evidence AT THIS TIME" mean? Evidence that he himself isn't aware of? It's like he leaves himself a way out just in case there is evidence "at this time" that comes out and shows Mike's true proclivities. I think it almost sounded as if Klein may think that Mike could have been gay, and he is just denying it. Also, he totally revealed that he was behind the whole story, totally. Why apologize for something you claim you didn't do, but then use the EXACT SAME JUSTIFICATION, that he was doing it to quash the pedo rumors, that you used to spread the story in the first place! He gave himself away. And to bring up Latoya, tres tacky!
Klein is one pathetic narcissist and I hope that he gets his comeuppance during Murray's trial. Enough is enough of his schemes. He does not give two squirrel shits about Mike. I don't think anyone did, to be honest. Mike's world was messed up big time.
Jessica,
I disagree totally that Mike "would not be with a fat man". In the tiny, cloistered world of his private life I believe he was desperate and opportunistic. He would have felt safe with Jason and safe was the primary concern. Fat or not fat doesn't matter when you're needy and desperate. I thought Jason's interview, when read in full, was totally convincing - now I'm not sure once again.
Klein's behaviour over the gay thing is perplexing. Of course Michael was gay and Klein as a gay man knew thi,s so I still don't understand the denial. You are wrong about him not caring though. He was fascinated by and loved MJ. He does all he can to keep a positive outlook on MJ alive and through his facebook comments and articles is trickling the truth through to the world. Apparently he is writing a book about the whole story and this will be long overdue. Although if you persist in thinking he is an inveterate liar it won't clear anything up.
I hope to see Murray banged up and Klein's reputation vindicated after the trial. Murray should do maximum time.
Excellent, interesting blog, Desiree! As always, I greatly admire your detective work. I didn't realize it was Klein himself who exposed the medical records in the link I gave you, from TMZ. Obviously, I should have read the back story behind it. Thanks for pointing that out, in your post!
I get the impression Jason knew Michael, but in what capacity, I have a lot of doubt. So, I'm with you, on your conclusions. That he mentioned the child-molestation accusations and the relationship with Lisa Marie in the interview immediately put a big question in my mind, about the motives for doing the interview, in the first place. Obviously, Klein was in on this one. I'm always willng to be proven wrong, but that is my gut instinct, so I enjoyed reading your own conclusions.
In Arnie's interviews and comments, he mentioned he had diagnosed Michael with lupus. The autopsy showed Michael did not have any autoimmune disorders. I question Michael's case of vitiligo even more, and I'm becoming more convinced Jermaine may be right: Michael destroyed his own skin pigment with highly toxic skin-bleaching chemicals. But I digress.
What I'm leading up to is Klein is obviously hiding a LOT. I suspect he knows more about Michael's little-boy problems than we realize. He said Michael "never his sexuality?" Really? Interesting, especially given Michael's fondness for little boys.
Personally, I'd like to believe Michael had sexual relations with adults - male or female. But at this point, I am more and more convinced Michael's bedtime romps were exclusively with little boys. I want to say at least he still screwed Brett Barnes and Omer Bhatti, after they grew pubes. But they were little boys when they began putting their heels in the air for Michael. I doubt he would have let them into his bed had he met them as young men. It's remarks from Gene Simmons, who dated Diana Ross, that cause me to lean, even more, to the belief Michael just wanted little boys. I'd like to know what else Arnie is covering up.
Hilltophouse,
The reason I think that Mike wouldn't be with a fat man is because he was always concerned about his appearance. Always. For instance, in the Schmuley book, the first one, Mike described a man who worked for him as "fat, real fat" and he was putting emphasis on the real part. That shows to me that he noticed that man's girth. Also, do you not realize that he mercilessly teased his sister Janet when she was a child because of her weight? His reason was because he was trying to "help" her and that the real world would say it too so she might as well lose weight before she goes out in the real world. It is no secret that Janet developed a complex over this teasing. Mike allegedly took Emfamil and used enemas to lose weight. I don't think that he has a fat fetish like Klein does. Nope. Maybe if you are of the opinion that in his final years he wanted to feel safe and would have been with Jason, maybe.....but he was also high as a kite (thanks to Klein) and possibly there is a Demerol induced state analogous to having "beer goggles" which makes you think fat people are hot. LOL.
I don't care what you think about Klein "loving" Mike. Everything is completely selfish with Klein and I don't have to know the guy to see it. He is a self-serving putz that will do anything to keep himself rubbing elbows with the stars. He's a celebrity chaser. He is uncouth. he badmouths a colleague, Dr. Hoefflin, just because Hoefflin accused him of give Mike drugs, instead of being a man and admitting that Mike had a problem and as a friend who cared, he couldn't help but become his enabler. I would have accepted that because you see that all the time; watch Intervention on A&E. But instead, he acts like an unscrupulous primate and leashes out at everyone who criticizes him, even Harvey Levin. I remember when Levin was interviewing him and Levin was basically saying that he saw the affidavit in where Jordie Chandler described Mike's penis and that it was very accurate and detailed. Levin was saying this in response to Klein stupidly saying that Mike peed in a cup blah blah, and Klein basically attacked Jordie with sarcastically saying "oh was he studying the penis?". I mean really? Someone points out to this idiot that he was probably wrong and he attacks a molestation victim? He's an ass.
If Klein cared about Mike, instead of caring about what his CONNECTION to Mike could do for him, he wouldn't be blabbing all over saying shit about his children's paternity, and making stories about how Mike was with a fat man. He is just another one of the unscrupulous assholes that Mike chose to have around him. He is the reason for Mike's addiction to Demerol, he and probably other Dr. Feelgoods. Karen Faye called him out on his shit, and he blames AEG. Really, really?! He acts as if he really even matters in the world, and there lies his stupidity. AEG has so much money and so many clients before and after Michael Jackson, they don't give a shit about a fat crippled narcissist that writes prescriptions for drug-addled celebrities so he can stay friends with them.
Hilltophouse (con't),
He hid Mike's records in 1993, and was trying to do it now but it failed. He is scared that he will be exposed as a drug peddler, especially since the US system is cracking down hard on doctors that dope up their patients. And in response to criticism, he intends to bring Mike's kids into this, his family...what the f--- does that have to do with him giving Mike drugs? NOTHING. If he was such a friend, he would have seen that Grace, among others, were trying to get Mike clean so that he could be a good father and stop feeding his kids candy and soda (that's why Blanket had 2 hr dental surgery at 5). He only cares about himself, and misery loves company so he will bring down everyone else, even Mike's own children, as he falls back into the gutter where he belongs.
Murray will walk and even his he didn't, it would behoove you to get a life and not wish ill on ANYONE going into America's prison system. I believe it was an accident and Mike was a junkie. If Murray goes, Klein should too, but I bet you wouldn't say that Klein--the poor widdle invalid with his cane--should be abused in prison. Even I wouldn't wish that on him.
Len,
I don't think that Klein thinks that Mike was a pedo. I do believe he might know more about him being gay, though. I wonder what he would say about the "explosive proof" Desiree found about the semen stains. I mean, he's a gay men, he probably could put 2 and 2 together about how all that cum got there. Hell, you don't need to be gay to understand that! But I think there is some underlying reason that he chose to go down that gay route, instead of the straight route and find a woman to hang the story on, in his feeble attempt to dissuade the public from thinking Mike was a pedo. Curiously to me is why did he even talk about that, when the timing of the story, some time in August 2009, was so near after his death that most people weren't even thinking about the child molestation thing; most people were still grieving over the lost of a beloved pop icon. To me, it all reeks of opportunism on Krazy Klein's part and on Jason's part. But that really should be of no surprise, since Klein personally injected himself into Michael Jackson drama by saying "to the best of my knowledge, I'm not the father of Paris and Prince" and sending a copy of his list of medical treatments he gave Mike to TMZ when nobody was asking. And that receipt is brick-and-mortar evidence of his illegal drug dispensing! So he is not only an opportunist, but he's also an idiot! I'm sick of his stunts for publicity.
I think that Mike liked boys, first and foremost, but I do believe he like young men, possibly in their early 20s. I'm just surprised that all these friends keep covering everything up. But denial is an interesting emotion.
Jessica,
There is a statement Arnie said that always stood out in my mind, which you referenced to Hilltophouse. It was when he infamously said the reason Jordan Chandler's description of Michael's penis was accurate had to do with Michael possessing a habit of "whipping it out" to pee in front of everybody. The rabid fans got their panties in a wad, and Michael's family was furious. One of the deeply held religious beliefs in the Cult of Michael Jesus Jackson is Jordan's description was innacurate because of the foreskin issue. By admitting Jordan's description really was accurate puts Michael's untoward behavior into scrutiny, again. Why would Arnie even bring up the subject? Why not just stick to the gay subject?
This is why I have been left wondering what else Arnie knew.
A thought just struck me. Is Jason actually Arnie's lover or ex-lover? I'm curious to know more about THAT relationship.
Nothing surprises me about the world of Michael Jackson. Living in Hollywood since the age of 10 and experiencing things most of us would never experience, how could we possibly understand? Think about it, being force to practice/perform your childhood away, no social life in your teens, global superstar in your twenties, freakiest in your thirties, ridicule/tormented in your forties, dead at 50. I wouldn't be surprise if his was homosexual, pedophile, drug addict, suffered from Body dysmorphia, hated his ancestral roots. To me this is a classic case of a person with God giving talent, selling his soul for world dominance. Too bad the end is always the worst part of the deal!!!
Jessica,
I find parts of your reply to my post insulting and disrespectful. I am very disappointed. NONE of us knows exactly what happened or what its all about, the fun is in discussion. Why such vituperative comments? Why the anger and viciousness? I am not American so is there something I don't know about the US prison system, is it not just a prison system like all others? Why does my thinking Murray should be locked up enrage you so? It is just an opposing view. I feel there should be respect for others opinions in a forum such as this and for some reason you don't possess this.
I don't think Klein was very close to Michael. I think this 'buddy, buddy' stuff is a farce; Klein is nothing more than a shady, unscrupulous dirtbag.
It's funny to me that he referred to himself in one of his Facebook posts as a 'Jewish samurai'; I hope he upholds one of their well-known rituals in that if the (Jewish) samurai is disgraced and loses face--which will happen and is happening in Klein's case--he takes a sharp sword and disembowels himself.
Klein sickens me, and I actually had a hell of a time going through his conduct as I wrote this entry. His frantic bleating about AEG is humorous; Jessica made a great point in that AEG had clients before Michael and they have clients now. They will continue to have clients because their credibility as concert organizers has long been established.
They showed mercy on Michael Jackson, I believe, who was essentially a shell of his former self by the time he died. He was definitely more of a liability, given his drug habit and his past behavior of reneging on contractual obligations. This is why it is crazy to even think AEG or anyone else was out to get Jacko. He was a 2nd-rate, has-been, drug-addicted pedophile. No one in the world, except his fans, would have cared if he ever moonwalked on stage again.
There is no grand conspiracy; none. Klein shows his lack of shame and scruples in that he lashes out at everyone who criticizes him. Is EVERYONE a liar, Klein, when you were the one to release a document proving you enabled Jacko's Demerol addiction? He's a psychotic narcissist.
Hilltophouse, you are wrong. Klein is gutter trash and he will not be vindicated because he's a terrible human being, and obviously is too damned stupid to cover his own tracks. He never cared about Michael Jackson, he was never a good doctor, he was always a drug peddler!
It is so horrible that Conrad Murray has to be the only doctor to come under scrutiny when Klein admitted on Larry King Live that he gave Jacko a muscle relaxant for the last 7 years of his life. Hello? That's a drug dealer.
If Murray falls, it should be other doctors to fall as well. After all, Murray could have been any one of them; Michael was the common denominator: a totally useless drug addict.
I'm still up in the air about Jason Pfeiffer and whether he 'lied'. I will assume that he did because I do not think Michael Jackson would be interested in a fat man.
The curious thing is why did Jason and Klein go down the gay route, if Klein now claims Jacko wasn't gay? Why not claim he was with a woman if the goal was to kill the pedophilia rumors?
Len, I don't think Klein knows anything about Michael's predilection for boys, but he may have known that Michael was more than a little bit effeminate. I actually think Michael had all of these gay employees, etc. because he enjoyed living vicariously through them. His psychotic fans would never allow him to be gay, nor would his family, who obviously knew he was a homosexual.
Why did Klein pick 'gay', that's what I wonder. And I do believe he and Jason had a thing. Jason is KLEIN'S type, not Michael's. Arnold Klein likes fat men. When he and Jason hashed the story out, Klein was obviously so blinded by his own fetish that he could not imagine someone NOT going for a giant fat man because that's what he's into.
It's just a planning deficit on Klein's part; he's incredibly stupid and self-serving. I hope he is raked over the coals; he'll never see the inside of a cage but he deserves to be put out of business.
Hilltophouse,
Why are you disappointed? I owe you nothing, I don't even know you.
I don't care if you have opposing opinions, everyone has different viewpoints. What I don't get is how a man like this should get any benefit of the doubt when he clearly is a sociopathic celebrity chaser that was one of the sole outlets for Mike's drug abuse? Does Klein not have any scruples?
I get angry because I find all of this grossly unjust and wrong on so many levels. I don't like that Mike was a pedo, and a self-hating black man, but I still feel extreme pity and sadness at the course of his life. He had NO ONE; everyone was out to get a piece of him or get big off of him. And that was partly his fault, yes. But to have a person like Klein, who was his doctor for over 20 years, make lies about him and his children...well, it pisses me off!
Klein feels the need to write a book. For what? What purpose will that serve except to deflect suspicion off of him. He lacks the ability to see beyond his own needs. If he was truly Mike's friend and confidante, why say anything?
You don't think it's a little bit shady that he injected himself into the media spotlight, when no one was asking? He went on LKL and told all manner of personal details about Mike's treatments for lupus, plastic surgery, burns, acne, etc, etc. And then he has the gaul to say it would violate patient-doctor confidentiality if he would turn over his records to Murray for the trial? What planet does this moron come from?
All his defense and talk about Mike is for his own edification. He cares more about himself than he does about Mike. Period. And why does he feel that the children are his "Trump card" if he was such a good friend? Why does he have to bring Mike's kids into all this, just to deflect from him being liable for giving their father drugs? It makes me sick! If he really cared about Paris, Prince, and Blanket, he wouldn't have been writing illegal prescriptions that ultimately lead to Mike's untimely death. He is most definitely partly the reason they are orphans.
And yes, the US prison system is repugnant and houses nonviolent offenders with violent offenders. I'll let you figure out how that scenario plays out, but let's just say that rape, abuse, cruelty, and disease are scenes that happen far too often, and the guards watch and do nothing to stop it. You wouldn't want to be there. Murray does not deserve such punishment. It was an accident, period.
Jessica:
I totally agree with everything you said. Klein cared NOTHING about Michael; anyone who believes differently is wrong and naive. Klein's conduct is all CYA: 'cover your ass'. And it's detestable, absolutely detestable.
Michael was a has-been, pedophile drug addict and no one bothered to intervene because no one cared enough about him. He was going nowhere fast and all he had was sycophants and drug pushers like Klein. It's crazy to me that Shmuley Boteach's first book chastised Michael and his drug use and downward spiral and then the Good Rabbi comes out with another book and did a total phony mea culpa just to sell units. SHAMELESS!
I agree; it was sad. It's a fan myth that Michael Jackson was worth more dead than alive to AEG or whoever; he wasn't worth anything by the end. He signed up to do those shows because he wanted more money for drugs. He was going to die sooner or later. His death was the expected outcome of years of drug abuse; it was NOT the result of Murray.
Murray could have been Klein. Propofol could have been a cocktail of Demerol and OxyContin.
Michael Jackson sang about the drug KLEIN gave him. And here you have Klein saying that Michael Jackson was only addicted to Propofol--it's all so he can keep blood off his hands since he never 'gave' Michael THAT drug!
It's shady and it's sad. He was NOT friends with Michael.
It's low to bring Jacko's kids into it, too. If Klein was the father--and he is NOT--why does he feel that should be brought up? If Michael Jackson wanted those kids to know their biological father, he would have let the kids meet the guy. Apparently Michael wanted his kids to know him as their father; no one else.
He's just a dirtbag, a Grade A asshole. It literally turns my stomach to see his face. I find him repugnant. No friend would gleefully spread stories about Michael being gay (even though he was) or that he's the father of Paris and Prince or go on TV and inflame speculation.
No other doctors but Klein have been called into account, which suggests to me he was Michael's main peddler. And here you have him trying to write a book or articles or give interviews and self-promote. It's scandalous.
Klein doesn't even know Murray and yet he tries to say Murray doesn't know what he's doing as a doctor, that he doesn't know how to use a catheter or needles. Bullshit. Murray was a cardiologist with his own practice and patients who liked him!
If Murray has to go down, then Klein should lead the way. I agree with you, though: Murray shouldn't go down hard at all; it was an accident and Michael Jackson was a junkie. And junkies die EVERY DAY.
Hilltophouse:
Klein will be in hell before he's vindicated. Let that be from my lips to God's ears.
Desiree:
I totally agree with you and Jessica: Dr. Klein is nothing but a complete fat shit bag!! Klein definitely was not a friend to MJ like he wants everyone to believe. Hell, the man doesn't know the meaning of the word friend. Klein's days are definitely numbered....There's a saying in the Bible, "Your sin will find you out", well that what seems to be happening to him right now. Every dog has his day, and Klein is that dog whose day is quickly approaching.
As for Conrad Murray, he shouldn't be the only one sitting on trial for MJ. IMO,Klein with his fat tub-of-lard ass should be sitting right up there with him! If that was happening right now, and I was a jury member or a judge, I would have to ask myself this question: like the chicken and egg comparison...which came first, Dr. Klein or Dr. Murray? Anyone who has any common sense can figure that one out, and the conclusion isn't that difficult to figure out either. The truth of the matter is this: like him, love him, hate him, whichever you chose, MJ was a true, hard core drug addict. Period. Sad but true, and he was mostly responsible for that choice. No matter which way you cut it, it all comes back to the same thing....it is what it is. It's obvious that Klein was on the 'scene' pushing drugs to MJ a LONG time before Murray got into the picture. Just had a thought.... I remember LMP telling Oprah in her last interview, Oct. 2010, that she distinctly remembers picking up MJ on various occasions from the doctor office visits (Klein I'm willing to bet) and most of the time he was high as a kite. She also went on to say that because of the medications that MJ would have to take for his skin disorders, etc., he would be given meds to help cope with the pain. Hmmmmm.....interesting. Klein has been playing "candy man" to MJ for quite some time and there is no denying it. Had another crazy thought....remember the song by Curtis Mayfield from the movie, Super Fly,"Pusher Man", well that song speaks volumes of Dr. Klein. LOL! Every time I hear it, I think of him.
As I said before, Klein's days are numbered....he's panicking right now. Because it looks as if his 'sky is starting to fall', he's now grasping at straws and saying anything he can to help save what little face he has left....which is not much. That probably explains a lot of his utterly useless and purposeless bull shit that he has shoveled out thus far.... and I'm sure there is a lot more where that came from!
I honestly don't see Conrad doing any time for MJ's death at all. IF anything, he may get his practicing license permanently taken away or probation, but nothing more.
All,
I'd like to know how many more doctors are involved. The dentist who gave Prince Michael II (Sorry, but calling a child Blanket is cruel, in my book.) propofol for a two-hour dental procedure, in an office that does not have the license for it, and then giving the drug to Michael has me wondering about the exact number. That particular dentist got himself into hot water with the medical board, which he should have. Klein needs to have his own separate trial for illegal drug pushing.
Hilltophouse,
The prison system in America is horrible. People incarcerated are poor and they are usually not white. On the rare occasion in which a rich, white man does get sent to prison, he gets the executive-suite prison. Murray committed negligence. For that, he should be reprimended. Klein also needs to be reprimended for a different breach of the Hypocratic Oath. He's a drug dealer.
Desiree and Jessica,
How do you know Arnold Klein didn't know Michael was a pedophile? Michael's family denies Michael's problems with pedophilia, and they knew what was going on. Something about what Klein is doing and saying doesn't add up. He's definitely covering his own ass, by steering people away from his role as Michael's drug dealer. But the different statements he's made, i.e., Michael peeing in front of everybody, his possible lust interest bringing up the pedophilia in the interview, etc., make the pieces of the puzzle not fit together. If those who know Klein can state he doesn't believe Michael is a pedophile or he doesn't know the answer, my question will be resolved.
wow you come back to the blog!
Jessica,
Many people like you don´t believe in Jason because Michael was a perfectionist and never would chose a fat guy. Even people who strongly believe he was gay. I
I have access to Klein´s facebook and I think he deleted the message about Michael doesn´t being gay. At least I couldn´t find it. Though he wrote again about that subject, calling the story "ridiculous"
He claimed Michael was gay and he knows it. He should´ve forgotten his tweet to Liz Taylor. You can see by his pictures next to her he loved her. If he had nothing to do with that subject I believe he would deny it. Besides Liz would know that! I strongly doubt she wrote that twitter without learning about the veracity of the story. I believe she thought Klein would never be able to betray Michael.
His facebook isn´t open for all people so Michael´s family can´t see his "excuses". Curious how he didn´t write that statement on his twitter, that is open for everyone.
I h
One more thing, not all gay men can see if a man is gay as well. Once I entered a gay board and many and many men could´t say what exactly he was. Some believed he was, others said he was too complex to just give him a sexuality...lol Others asexual.
Lady C,
Great point about the chicken or the egg thing. Klein is absolutely an integral part of Mike's drug addiction because he was one of the main people that wrote him illegal prescriptions. He'd been treating Mike since the 1980s, and worked on his scalp after the Pepsi burn. Allegedly, that was when Mike may have started his drug habit. Murray was just the end of it and he could have been anyone any doctor; Klein was the beginning until the end.
I find it infuriating that he can run around flapping his cake hole about other doctors, but if one single person (e.g. Karen Faye or Dr. Steven Hoefflin) accuses him or being a drug pusher or writing illegal Rx drugs to Mike, he runs around crying afoul. It's maddening, because all he is doing is creating a diversion so that people will not look into his dirty deeds. This guy hid Mike's medical records in 1993 in the trunk of his car! I think he loves to be famous and see people talking about him, so if giving drugs to doped-up celebrities is how he keeps up his lifestyle, that's what he will do. If making up stories about paternity and Mike being with fat men and peeing in cups in front of people will keep him in the spotlight, he will keep on doing it. None of this is for anyone else's benefit but his own.
I remember him on TMZ being interviewed by Harvey Levin, and he talked so much nonsense and so much shit about what he believes Murray did. He said that Murray was probably getting high of the aspirated propofol coming from Mike, that he fell asleep and that's why Mike was dead. He said that Murray was giving him intramuscular injections of propofol, and that Murray didn't know how to put in catheters. First of all, it is impossible to gat the effects of propofol by breathing it in from someone else. IMPOSSIBLE. If that were true, surgeons wouldn't be able to operate without falling asleep, especially when working on or near the head area. So that's completely a false statement, Secondly, you can't IM inject propofol and get the same effects; it must pass through the bloodstream so it can get to the brain. He totally lied! And he's supposed to be a learned doctor? Sedatives must be injected into a vein to work. He was just making things up the longer the interview progressed. Plus, he said that he "reads" the Michael Jackson stuff in the news, so how would he know Murray's every action in such detail? Answer: he wouldn't. He just made it up.
Len,
I really think he doesn't believe that Mike is a pedophile, but how knows? I think it's more that Klein just doesn't know what was true and what wasn't surrounding all that, because he wasn't always around Mike and wasn't as close to him as he wants the public to believe he was. But what I'm most interested in is why he and Jason decided to choose the gay angle, instead of just saying he was straight, if they were trying to get rid of the pedophilia rumors. He was so vociferous in his tweet to Liz Taylor that Mike was gay. If all that wasn't true, and he was in fact not only not a pedo but straight, why even say he was gay? It makes no sense. I think he knows Mike was gay (as the semen shows) but was trying to get back into the fans' good-graces by disavowing the story, because he knows that everyone will soon find out what he was doing with Mike regarding Demerol and other illegal prescriptions. It's all a calculated diversion on his part.
Suzy,
I'm just going on what was Mike's MO. He liked being thin, and liked it on other people. Plus, I believe that Klein was into Jason, since he likes "little fat men" to use Mike's words. I don't know how he would think that Mike would be into Jason just because he himself thinks fat guys are hotter than hot, LOL.
I think Klein does know that Mike was gay, and Liz knew too. She never corrected him. It was pretty obvious that he was gay, and Desiree found physical evidence that proves he was having some sort of sexual activity with men (or boys).
You make an interesting point about the Facebook vs. Twitter thing. You'd think that he would want everyone to know that he was "tricked" into saying Mike was gay. But his Facebook isn't public like his Twitter. But if you do read his Facebook message, he didn't really deny that Mike was gay, only that he didn't think that "any evidence at this time" would show Mike was gay. It's like he left room for evidence to come out, or like he wasn't completely behind the statement he made.
Suzy,
It's ironic you mention the gay forum board having their doubts about Michael. I have asked several of the gay men I know, as well as a gay psychologist, and none of them are sure they regard Michael as a gay man. Nobody can name men he dated, and they certainly can't think of any genuine heterosexual relationships he had. They all regard him as a pedophile. In reading a study by UC Davis, Michael fits the profile of a classic pedophile, in that they are incapable of relationships with adults - male or female, although some may have them. I can post a link to the study. It is interesting.
We can all name the "special" friends Michael paraded around with, in public. But adult romantic partners?
In addition, the words of Gene Simmons keep standing out. He said he never heard about Michael being with an adult when he was alive. This is a man who dated Michael's mentor, Diana Ross. I posted that link before, I can post it, again.
One gay man believes Michael would have been gay, had he gone to a therapist and learned how to embrace and love himself for who he was.
Jessica,
With the above information, I'm curious to know why Arnie and Jason (I'm more and more convinced Arnie and Jason had sexual relations with each other.) chose the gay subject for Michael. Perhaps Arnold thought it was safer to say Michael liked men, as his pedophilia issue plagued him so much, and rightfully so. Michale did not date women. That's why I wonder what good old Arnie knew. I think it's obvious Arnie is a media whore. But what he has chosen to state publicly is not only in very poor taste, but his reasons for choosing those topics are questionable.
Here's the rest of what Klein said. This is in the comments section of his TMZ note. It was in response to someone asking for more details.
This was written on Wednesday, April 20, at 10:18 PM.
"This Jason interview was never meant for Extra. It was sold to Extra by Alicia Jacobs a reporter from Las Vegas.It was suppose to go on CNN. i spent two hours discussing Hoefflin and the actions of Harvey Levin against me. Then Jason was interviewed about his sexual flirtation with Michael. I really made no comments on the Extra interview they sold. It all stemmed from an article in the European Press. When I realized Muhammed Khilji, Jason,Bob Lorsch andRichard Charmley were all involved in a huge embezzlement from me I also found out they were selling articles to the foreign press about me. When i looked further I found that the Jason-Michael article was ghost written and was totally fabricated for money."
Oh, and this was also in the note itself (regarding the Jason/Michael story):
"That story was made up by Paul Camuso who will admit to it."
Kerry:
I guess it is a he said-he said. I have information that Klein is the liar. I don't believe him.
Of course he´s the liar, he know very well he said that. He didn´t know nothing but he sent that tweet to Liz?! Please!
I think Paul Camuso isn´t even his friend on facebook already.
btw I´m the only one who think it´s fishy he had deleted the note he admitted Michael wasn´t gay? And that story about Alicia Jacobs was already claimed by Paul.
Desiree,
So do you think Klein is lying and the story is true?
Neither of them seem credible at all to me.
Kerry:
Klein is covering his own ass. The information that I have--and it is not from the same source as the one from this entry--is that Klein is the one lying. I don't know if I should mention it but I have been speaking with Jason Pfeiffer the past few days. And he is a very nice person, very sincere, very honest seeming, not at all the way Klein paints him to be.
Suzy can speak to having spoken with Jason, although I don't know if it's been as intimate as my conversations with him. I plan to post on Jason's story when I am not so busy with school (school's almost out and it's nearing finals time which causes things to be hectic).
The only thing one can say is that it is, at this point, a he said-he said. My friend who provided me with the information about Jason in this entry is firmly planted in Team Klein. I told Jason I was skeptical as a whole. However, he is a very warm person; he could be sketchy, but I really have very little reason to disbelieve him.
Klein, on the other hand, via my friend, is sketchy as hell. I don't trust him. I really believe he is a bad person, terrible actually, and I think he knows the shit is going to hit the fan for him very soon.
I have to be honest with you, Kerry, that I probably don't follow the story as closely as I could be. I know Klein's been spouting off at the mouth via his Facebook.
I'll just say this: I do believe Michael Jackson and Jason had something going on. I think Klein is trying to cover his tracks and gain public sympathy. His days are numbered. Don't quote me on it, of course, but I think Klein is a much worse person than Jason.
Desiree, as you know I talked with him too, he really seemed very warm. Later I´ll post here the conversation, I think I still have it.
For me there are two options, if Michael was gay (I do´t know any more...)
1-Jason really was Michael´s lover, Klein knew it but as Jason steal him, he got him through the mud, exposing him as a liar;
2-Michael was gay but Jason wasn´t his lover.
But Desiree, didn´t you say you had a reliable source Jason lied as well?
Suzy:
Even in this post I said I was unsure about Jason. No, I don't have a source who says Jason was absolutely lying. That was just my friend's opinion. Again, they can only speak to what Klein has said to them, as well as go off on how they feel about Klein. Since my friend likes Klein, they are more likely to believe the negative stories about Jason or anyone else who Klein has decided to attack.
Klein is the liar. At least this is my gut feeling, as I've stated in this post.
I do believe Michael Jackson and Jason Pfeiffer enjoyed a short tryst. However, it was not this huge monumental 'soulmate' thing that the media was trying to say it was.
Klein is covering his ass. He is trash. He may be nice (as my friend says), but he's a liar and he's very manipulative.
I will say this, though: Klein is absolutely NOT the father of those children, Paris and Prince. That is a HUGE lie, although Klein did not start the rumor...
Here is the chat:
Jason Pfeiffer June 17, 2010 at 11:25pm Report
why do you want to be my friend?
Me June 18, 2010 at 4:03pm
Hi, I saw you on the TV but don´t be afraid. I´m Michael´s fan but I´m not like the others...I respect you. I would like to be your friend, if you want...
Thanks
Jason Pfeiffer June 19, 2010 at 12:02am Report
What do u want to know about? Where are u from
Sent via Facebook Mobile
Me June 19, 2010 at 9:00pm
Oh I don´t want to know anything, don´t be afraid. I´m from Turkey. I just wanted to have a Michael´s friend on my friends list and know a little more about you, nothing to be afraid. :) I understand why you´re so suspicious, but I don´t want to pay for other fans sins...
Jason Pfeiffer June 20, 2010 at 1:24am Report
you know who I am, so who are you? Is that your real picture on here?
Me June 20, 2010 at 12:58pm
No, it´s jut a picture I pic from the net. Thanks for accepting :)
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 7:29pm Report
So, who are you? LOL. Where are you? No pictures of you? You a man or women?
Me June 21, 2010 at 7:42pm
I´m a woman (hope you don´t mind lol) As I said you, I´m from Turkey. I don´t like to post pictures on web.
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 7:59pm Report
your profile says male? Its fine. I am gay though
Me June 21, 2010 at 8:11pm
Really? o.o lol It should be a mistake by me. I´m really a woman. Are you gay or bi? I read you´re interested in woman as well in you profile.
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 8:11pm Report
I guess bi, but mostly gay
Me June 21, 2010 at 8:12pm
Fine :D
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 8:13pm Report
LOL, is that a problem
Me June 21, 2010 at 8:13pm
Of course not :D In fact I have many gay friends.
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 8:14pm Report
where are you? Turkey? openly gay in turkey?
Me June 21, 2010 at 8:15pm
I guess is the same for most part of the countries...there is prejudice as well.
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 8:17pm Report
yes thats true
Me June 21, 2010 at 8:21pm
But there are countries like Morocco where men who are best friends go hand in hand publicly.
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 8:22pm Report
oh really? I didnt know that. Me and some friends are thnking about going to Morocco
Me June 21, 2010 at 8:23pm
So you will be safe there. As long you don´t kiss in public, that´s it.
Jason Pfeiffer June 21, 2010 at 8:24pm Report
yea, I dont need to kiss in public, I am single right now anyway
So, Desiree,
You have been speaking to Jason? The plot thickens. Down in my heart, I'd like to believe Michael had sexual relations with adults. Unfortunately, right now, I'm with Gene Simmons, on this one. But if Michael fucked an adult he had not slept with when the male was still a child, I'm glad something he did in bed was normal and legal.
His life really was a tragedy of epic proportions. Had he gotten therapy, he would never had altered his beautiful black face by repeatedly carving it up, he would not have continued the cycle of abuse, and even though he would have hid his sexuality from the public, he could have had healthy relationships with men.
I´d like to sent him a friend request again, but I don´t think he would accept.
TMZ just posted this:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/24/michael-jackson-arnold-klein-jason-pfeiffer-ex-lover-boyfriend-gay-medical-manslaughter-conrad-murray-testimony-witness-trial-liar/
Jason stands by his story...It seems to me that he's now going for just a sexual affair rather than the "love of his life/soulmates" story.
I guess that's more likely. MJ could have had some kind of sexual contact with that guy that Jason later exaggerated for the press (probably suggested by Klein).
It's still weird for me to think of MJ and that fat guy doing anything lol(yes, I know I'm shallow, and so was Michael) but hey, I'm glad to know that he was having relationships with an adult man rather than grooming young boys to his bed.
wow I didn´t know Jason still sticks for the story! The fans are mad, the gay rumours keep strong. But I wanted to know a different Michael´s male lover lol. And I wanted some evidence too.
Desiree look! OMG
http://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-w-klein/desiree-stay-away-from-my-friends-the-only-one-who-knows-the-truth-is-me-and-i-d/221014977912039
Suzy:
Thank you for linking that. Klein is such a liar and if I can continue to think about all that he does and is doing with regard to Michael Jackson and this upcoming Murray trial, I will.
He is a terrible person and a lying snake. "Adrian" threw me under the bus but I've got the story.
Klein's days are numbered. He is a lying fool.
For everyone who reads, I suggest dissemination of this blog post so everyone can know what a snake Arnold Klein is. He is a drug pusher with a history of supplying drugs to celebrities.
He needs to be exposed.
OMG, Desiree! Arnold Klein has you on his shit list! This is awesome! Now all we have to do it pray that the Jacksons read your blog and get flipping mad like Klein! And Jason is sticking to his story?! You have really made an impact.
I bet Klein was running scared since Murray's trial is coming up, and now that Jason isn't backing, Klein is going after all people how could expose him as a drug dealing celebrity chaser. Good work!
Desiree,
I'm confused. Didn't you say that "Adrian" was a friend of yours that you cared deeply about, and now she threw you under the bus? I guess she cares more about what Arnold Klein can do for her (is she celebrity chaser too?) than anything that you guys had as friends together. But that isn't really that surprising if you think about it because if she likes Arnold Klein enough to write a snivelling email to him like that one, it must be a "birds of a feather" situation. Does she care that Klein is an asshole that lies about Michael Jackson and pretends to be his friend when he lies about being Paris and Prince's father and lies about Murray and his level of involvement in Mike's addiction? Maybe she's amoral...At any rate I would watch out for people who are so willing to get back in the good graces of such an evil guy like Klein.
But when he said he was the father of Michael´s kids? As I know he denied it.
Suzy:
Klein only denied it publicly in the media but, as I said in this post, he still claims paternity of Michael Jackson's kids to his friends.
The word is that Klein had nothing to do with the story leaking in the media but jumped on it when he saw he could make money from saying he 'could have been' the father of those kids. The word is that if he was really those kids' father, he would have went after custody.
Debbie Rowe apparently hates Klein and she's the mother of those children. He is not related to them. It's pathetic.
So, he still believes the hype, Suzy. Klein is a lying clown.
Desiree,
How delightful that Klein is threatened enough by you to create such a desperate and, at the same time, inflammatory post! Be proud of yourself. Did "Adrian" honestly write that letter, though? Or did he find out about your blog, become panic stricken, and write the letter himself?
If Adrian wrote it, then I would question how much of a friend she really is to you. If Arnold fabricated it, then this just shows to what lengths he will go to get both public attention and to cover his ass.
At this point, I am convinced Michael only slept with little boys. (I've said this before.) However, I hope Michael did have a fling with Jason. It would be nice to know had screwed at least one adult human being.
Eldefor,
That was an interesting link. So, Jason is backpedaling his story about his affair with Michael? I'd be curious to know what really lies behind all of this. Did Klein put him up to fabricating an affair? Did Klein put him up to exagerating the tryst? Did Klein put him up to even discussing what happened, now that Michael is dead and can't answer? The "mouthpiece" insists Michael had a very brief affair with Grace, but at this point, as I have stated many times, I do not believe Michael slept with any adult, only little boys.
However, if he did consummate a relationship with any legal adult, it would be more plausable for him to have gotten it up for a man.
Desiree,
It will be interesting to learn what you find.
What amazes me is despite the death threats Jason still sticks to the story. And the bodyguards didn´t say nothing this time...yet.
Len,
I have always thought that none of this story was true, although I had welcomed it as true if it was. I think Jason was basically saying that he did have a fling with Mike but it was just that, a fling. Sex, yes, but soulmates, no. I think that his story was probably embellished by others to make it more salacious. That's what the media does; they want more salacious stories, and Klein who is clearly behind the release of this story in the first place made Jason add more details. Remember the whole point of bringing out this story was to "quash" the pedophilia rumors. But as we all know, pedos can sleep with adults, too. I think that if the story was made to seem like a love story rather than a fling, maybe people would have thought "Oh Mike was in love with an adult, maybe all the child molestation accusations aren't true", because I don't think many people are aware of the "non-exclusive" type pedophile. I still believe that Mike was absolutely over 90% solely interested in young boys. But if you think about it, Jason was in his early 30s and Mike was 50 so clearly Mike was still showing a preference for youth.
Suzy,
Those bodyguards were always lying. They never seen Mike with any woman, they were just lying to sell a book to stupid fans. They weren't even around Mike in his last days, so how would they even know whether he was with Jason or not. The bodyguards said Mike had two girlfriends, and then they said they were misquoted and that the "women" were just friends, and then they were refusing to answer any more questions. It just shows that all that girlfriend nonsense wasn't true. I think it's pretty obvious that Mike was gay, or I should say, liked penis. Even Stuart Backerman said he had no real relationships with women, including LMP and Debbie Rowe. I think if Mike was straight, like his brothers, we would have known about it by now because straight people have no reason to hide their relationship from the world. Gays, on the other hand, must hide their relationships because of the stigma. As liberal as Hollywood is, they don't want a formerly straight celebrity man to now be gay. It would hurt revenue. John Travolta has ben gay since "Saturday Night Fever" but he will never come out publicly. Kevin Spacey, I've heard is gay too, but he denies it. Coupled with being a former Jehovah's Witness, Mike would have never came out. Jermaine Jackson even said that none of them wanted a gay brother (he means Mike). I think that is why Mike turned into a pedophile, because technically, it's not "gay" because it not with a man but with boys, but that's really just a semantics game. I always thought it was interesting that Mike's inner circle were all men and that many of them were gay men. Maybe he was trying to live vicariously through his out gay friends, who knows. But I did read that Mike was very close to a gay male cousin that died of AIDS.
Jessica,
That's an interesting response. It makes me wonder even more how much Arnold knew about Michael's proclivities for little boys. After all, he had no issue publicly parading them. You do have a definite point. There was quite an age gap between Jason and Michael. I'll be interested to see what Desiree posts, next, about that. I hope he's willing to be open and honest with her.
Something to keep in mind, though, is Michael was sexually abused. As a result, he continued the cycle of abuse by becoming an abuser rather than seek therapy. To say he chose boys because he was afraid to express his homosexuality is a terrible stereotype of gay people. It has caused horrible discrimination and gay bashing, as a result. I feel compelled to point that out. In the days when homosexuality was considered a mental illness that could get gay people committed or imprisoned, the traditional route was to marry a woman (a beard) and then clandistinely carry out sexual relations with men. A pedophile is completely different from a homosexual.
Len,
I'm not saying that gay men are pedos, no no. But I just think that to be realistic, there are homosexual men that have chosen the route to pedophilia because of the stigma. Look at some of the Catholic priests. It was said that during the 1960s, the Vatican allowed gay men (not "gay" as in lifestyle but gay as in a males preferring males) into the priesthood. These gay men were supposedly covering up their sexual feelings because of the stigma surrounding homosexuality, and living as a priest served two purposes: 1. it could allow them not to act on their sexual impulses because of mandatory celibacy, and 2. they would have to put themselves in situations were they would have to pretend to be straight. And in turn some of these men took out their sexual frustrations with the adolescent boys they were always around. It should be said that most people who molest children aren't pedophiles, and I believe that this is true for some of those priests. I'm not saying that some of those priests aren't pedophiles with an exclusive interest in children above all else (check out the documentary "Deliver Us From Evil" for the story of a real pedophile priest), but I do think that some of them "turned" to boys because they were an available gender correct substitute. I firmly believe this.
I think it is very well possible that Mike was gay and turned to boys as a "digestible" stand in for grown men. But I believe Mike liked young men too. I also think that since he was sexually abused as a child he diddled boys that were around the same age that he was abused at. I believe Johnny Jackson said that he saw 12 year old Mike and two men nude and sexually aroused. 12 is the same age that Mike liked. It makes sense.
I mean 2. they wouldn't have to put themselves in situations were they would have to pretend to be straight. oops :)
Jessica,
I have to disagree. There are too many studies disproving a gay man would choose a child if an adult weren't safely available. Michael was sexually abused, as a child. In turn, because he never addressed what happened to him in therapy, he became a man who sexually abused children.
Great work as always, Désirée.
How do you feel being blacklisted by Dr. Menguele wannabe? That's so funny.
I think he was mostly a paedophile, but also he screwed with adult men. Possibly he slept with Omer, J. Spence, J. Safechuck, the Cascios and maybe that german boy called Anton (they went on vacation together in 2003, just before the case broke up) when they were legal. I posted pictures of a grown up Safechuck during the footage of a video in Budapest. MJ was with Lisa.
There are also several accounts of MJ having “friendships” with young men or adult men in the past: the mysterious man during the visit to the White House with the Reagans; Liberace's boyfriend; Clifton Davis... and also what Ola Ray said about the close relationship MJ and Miko Brando had. Apparently MJ was scared of him and he did take many liberties for a simple employee... I wonder why. I don't know if all these stories are credible. There are also rumours of a sexual relationhisp with D Geffen.
I bet Mj was a bottom and needed every once in a while something big and adult up his... LOL
I don't believe a word coming out Dr. Bleaching mouth, but regarding Jason, who knows. Maybe one night Michael was randy, Omer was in Norway, he felt alone and the only person available for sodomizing him was Jason. He doesn't look like Michael's type, but in some situations people do unexpected things LOL. After the trial, he was forced to avoid contact with young boys... his real object of desire. He was almost broke which made more difficult for him to buy the silence of his possible sexual partners... I suppose he became less picky.
I'm more inclined to think that Jason is lying... the sexual part I could believe, the romantic story no way.
Susana,
I notices that rumours with men in legal age began mostly around 2007 (though I never heard about that men you listed, interesting...)
It seems a bodyguard slammed Liberace´s lover, when he came out in 2004.
Shortly after Michael´s death,rumours about his relationship with the young porn star Luka Magnotta were around the web. You´ll find some things if you search about it. It´s said he has family in the media so they were afraid to talk about that...but the story never came in the media. I don´t know how it began. I read he wrote himself in his myspace but if he did so, he deleted it. According to the rumours, Luka visited him three times in Vegas. In his twitter, the only mention he had about that was that she was upset by Michael´s death.
What amazes me is despite the death threats, Jason still sticks to his story. Klein was being an hypocrite. I was spying his wall since some time ago, he wrote the note about Michael not being gay the 31th March but days after that he deleted it. Like, "I´m not being honest..." Now he just says something like "I can´t grant Michael´s sexuality..." LOL That´s an amazing story: How a man began to straight to gay and now he has an undefined sexuality. Coming Soon...LOL He just maintains that Michael´s relationship with Jason was fabricated.
I would like Michael was a bottom too :p Seeing his so effeminate face...it´s hard to thinking otherwise. Though even trannies can being actives if they still have their manhood. :P
Jason just has much weight. He´s an handsome guy. But a lot of people even those who believe he was gay don´t believe in Jason because of that. It´s sad but understandable.
Oh and about the sexual part, Jason admitted it was not so romantic like Klein said before (or it was him. Just sex, yes.
Maybe I´m being naive, but for only sex, it had to be a more attractive man, right? For falling in love, it´s need other things besides body and face.
btw My plague is working. I got so furious about fans reaction when Jason appeared in Extra that I wished there were at least a gay rumour by year lol.
Susana,
I remember reading in Chris Andersen's book about the mystery young man that he brought to the White House in the 80s. Apparently, not even Mike's people knew who he was and they when they asked, Mike was evasive, so they just acted like he was another bodyguard or something. And also in the book, sources told Chris Andersen that Mike always had some young guy in the studio with him or around him. this was all in the 80s when Mike was uber effeminate and obviously gay LOL. In the book, it was a scene that was at Hayvenhurst and it was around the time that Mike was to be moving into Neverland, so the late 80s, and Mike had brought a "young handosme blond" guy to the outdoor party/barbeque. Joe Jackson wanted to know who that guy was and was angry that Mike would even "hint" at being gay by bringing this guy over. Needless to say, Mike and the guy left the party and Joe was still angry at the "implications" of the situation.
That book is so good and juicy. Andersen has all the info and he dug pretty deep to clearly show that Mike was gay. And also he showed convincing evidence that Mike in fact had molested Jordie Chandler.
I agree with you though, I think that Mike was mostly a pedo, but like pedos sometimes will do, he slept with adults on occasion. I mean this was a guy that saw 22 yr old Chris Carter across a crowded Las Vegas casino and immediately hired him as his personal bodyguard because he "liked his smile"! And he hired a 17 yr old white boy to be Carter's deputy after meeting him at a skateboard/surf shop! Is that not really obvious that he liked the way these guys looked and was attracted to them? Totally gay LOL! And these two guys had zero experience and zero credentials to be his bodyguards, but Chris Carter became his PERSONAL 24/7 bodyguard. I saw a photo of Carter carrying Mike in his arms into a hospital like a man carrying a bride over the threshold...I bet Mike loved that!
Suzy,
I bet that Luka Magnotta story is true, you never know. I think that if Mike could have a casual fling with Jason Pfeiffer (who I personally think is a cute chub LOL) than why not other people? The fact of the matter is that there has been ZERO women to come forward and quash any of the gay rumors or say that Mike was straight and Mike has been dead almost 2 years. Couple that with the fact that even in life, no women, save LMP, have been uncovered as having been with Mike. I posted under Desiree's "Explosive proof" post that Mike said he didn't want to go with girls or do the romance thing, when he was talking with Gordon Novel about what they could do for his image in 2004-2005. He had no interest in women. But we have had a gay lover surface! And semen stains LOL.
Susana:
Funny post. :-)
Jason basically just stated that it was a boring fling and the 'soulmates' stuff was a concoction. It was obviously mostly physical. And just because Jason was heavy, I don't think that means he and Michael could not have got it on.
There are other forms of sex that they could have done that would not involve Jason or Michael disrobing completely.
I don't believe Jason Pfeiffer is lying about the affair. Not after I've spoken with him; he's very open and genuine.
As a whole, though, I agree that Jacko mainly preferred 'youthful' partners, and Jason was a lot younger than Michael, adults considered. If you've seen 'This Is It', you'd see how many men he chose to be his backup dancers and how they all were that type he liked: youthful, swarthy, dark hair.
Jessica mentioned Chris Carter and the other young male bodyguard Michael chose despite their inexperience. He was choosing based on sex. According to Victor Gutierrez's book (I know people dislike that book as a 'source'), Michael always chose sex over business.
I don't know if Michael was merely a bottom; I personally think he was versatile. I am writing on a post about Brett Barnes and I think there is substantial evidence to suggest that Michael Jackson penetrated Brett.
I should note about Arnold Klein.
That he mentioned me was flattering, I must say, regardless if "Adrian" pushed me under the bus. What is funny to me is that there are Jacko fanatics who think I am some Diane Dimond and I am looking for superstardom off the back of Michael Jackson's legacy.
No, I'm just a simple girl in Las Vegas who blogs as a hobby. I am not looking for my name in lights. BUT if the information I've found ever was widely disseminated with my name attached, I would be very happy.
The fans think that the obsession is an accurate measure of my 'obsession', which couldn't be further from the truth.
It's so sad to be so crazy and delusional. Michael Jackson said in the first Shmuley Boteach book that some of his fans act like they know him and that he has to play along with it. I think he, like most celebrities, only liked his fans from a distance. It's pretty pathetic to me that his fans still write all of these 'vindication' sites.
Why don't they let it go? It's time for truth now. It will be very ugly for them when the trial starts...
Len:
Regarding "Adrian" and Arnold Klein, he did not write that letter that appeared on his Facebook. "Adrian" wrote it. And, yes, Jason and Michael Jackson did have a fling, regardless of Jason's size; I totally believe him and I feel he is telling the truth. The fans hate this and lucky for them, because Jason is heavyset, they feel it is reasonable to doubt him. Yes, it is reasonable but just because 'logically' it seems to make sense--that Michael wouldn't be with a 'fat guy'--that does not mean it is true. I agree with Jessica: Jason is a cute chub.
Regarding Michael, don't you think you are actually agreeing with Jessica about the gay/pedophilia thing? I won't try to be politically correct: the reality is that most pedophiles are gay men, even those most gay men are not pedophiles.
That tends to ruffle feathers, for some reason, but if you watched the Chicken Hawk documentary I posted a few months back, these NAMBLA members were/are riding on the coattails of the homosexual movement. Why? Because they believe they are gay men, regardless if their own sexual preferences are for individuals who cannot legally (and sometimes logically) consent.
It's a misnomer, I think, that pedophiles are mostly straight; why aren't heterosexuals outraged by that? I've linked in another post on this blog Ken Lanning's FBI profile of child molesters. He states that preferential CMs (or pedophiles) almost always prefer male youths; he also says child pornography and sex rings overwhelmingly have male victims.
Gays don't like the association but they need to realize that male homosexuality is a preference for males, regardless of age.
When you say that Michael would have or could have been involved in healthy adult gay male relationships had he gotten therapy, that is the same logic governing Jessica's point that some gay priests used the boys as outlets to their repressed same-sex desires. Sure, some of them were pedophiles but not all of them. It's naive to think that gay men in the priesthood were not molesting boys.
This is not to say that gays molest children; anyone taking what I or Jessica say and forming such an extrapolation should get their heads examined.
Michael Jackson--like many, not all, but many gay men--was sexually abused.
(cont.)
Len:
I'll tell you straight away that I disbelieve in in-born homosexuality; it goes against everything I know about biology and evolution. For that reason, I cannot except such a hypothesis. It's not a conscious choice nor do I think people should ever force these people to 'change' through prayer, etc. but I will never say that I believe, at this point, that they are born that way.
Actually, it is quite odd to me that gays and lesbians would want people to think they are 'born that way', as the insufferable Lady Gaga sings. That such a tiny percentage of people in the world are exclusive homosexuals would indicate, scientifically speaking, that something is amiss, that their sort of abiotic 'behavior' was the result of a faulty mutation. Don't they understand this?
Anyway, people don't understand that Michael Jackson's sexual abuse by grown men caused him to have an attraction to males; some people may find that repugnant, that sort of implication but, hey, it's reality. People should study Ancient Greece. While not totally respectful of historical context, Greek males were horrendous sexists; women, in general, were seen as worthless. It was seen as more virtuous and noble to engage in sexual relations with other men.
Rightly so, sexuality was seen on a continuum, not dogged by the PC dogma of today. Sexuality is not fixed, heterosexually or homosexually. Although I am suspicious of Alfred Kinsey's methods, that famed sex researcher was one of the first to posit the continuum idea, well, at least in the mainstream.
I am meandering a bit but if Michael Jackson would have been treated for his abuse early on, he may have not been gay or a pedophile. Acknowledging that he may have been changed by therapy at least on the pedophile tangent is agreeing with Jessica.
Gays don't like it, I know, but gay pedophiles--including Carl Toms, who I think is a very rational, intelligent man in spite of his 'creepiness'--state they are not 'vanilla' gay. Pedophilia is an age distinction; homosexuality is a sex preference. They can and sometimes do converge.
Suzy:
The fans will never take Jason's word as fact. They will always think what he is saying is untrue; I believe him, having spoken with him. However, the preponderance of the evidence suggests that Michael Jackson was interested only in males: Jason Pfeiffer, the semen stains, picking male employees based on looks (Chris Carter and the other male bodyguard), his family thinking he was gay, the child abuse accusations, the gay rumors... there is TONS of evidence to suggest he was gay.
There is very little evidence suggesting he was interested in women.
What do the fans have? Lisa Marie Presley and porn? That's all?
Not very much if you ask me. The porn was obviously used for the males--boys and young adults--and Lisa Marie was a part of a sham. His fans are delusional.
Desiree,
I'm sorry "Adrian" was the one who wrote that suck-up letter to Dr. Drug Pusher. Obviously, she is no friend of yours. Your blog is getting more attention, though, which is a good sign, of course.
I'm delighted if Michael had sex with Jason, without having laid with him when Jason was still a little boy. Diddling Brett Barnes and Omer Bhatti after they grew pubes doesn't particularly count in my book because they were little boys when they first threw their legs into the air for Michael. It may have been a brief encounter, and as Jessica pointed out, Jason was much younger than Michael. But he was still a grown man. I'd still like Gene Simmons to expound a little more on what he knew, though. I wish the "mouthpiece" would expound a little more. That is what has me somewhat reserved in my thoughts, along with Freddie Mercury's allegedly sarcastic comments when he was dying: "I wish I had fucked only virgins like Michael Jackson."
Desiree, I don't share the opinion Jessica and you have about gay pedophilia because of the studies available. I'll give you one link. There are a lot of psychology journals with studies posted, too. But you have to either go to the library or buy them in order to read the studies. (I'm fond of finding info and going to the library, myself.)
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
I highly recommending also reading other studies.
Yes, there are homosexual or male-to-male pedophiles and heterosexual or male to female pedophiles and some who aren't choosy. But the outstanding characteristic is an inability to successfully conduct relationships with adults. How successfully was Michael really able to conduct healthy relationships with any adult, male or female? Not very.
I do, however, agree people are shaped, as children, into what they become by their experiences. The gay psychologist I spoke to isn't sure what Michael would have been if he hadn't been abused, and he isn't sure what adults Michael would have wanted in bed had he sought therapy. Perhaps I want to believe Michael would have been a gay man exclusively having relations with other gay men because it would have upset his rabid fans so much. But after the conversation with the psychologist, I have to be honest with myself and say I don't know what he would have been.
Desiree:
Your interactions with Jason sound very interesting...he sounds like he's a pussy cat from what you've described. But I have to ask you this question...What did Jason mean that the fling was boring. Was he meaning that Michael was not a 'skilled' lover that had no finesse? I'm just curious. I honestly think that Jason is telling the truth...after all, what person in there right mind would continue to stick to a story knowing that death threats are looming over their head if there was not truth to it?? His strong stance says, "This is my story and I'm sticking to it." Jackson's sexual behavior seems to have resembled a kind of male "switchover" in the last years of his life. It seems that in the earlier years of his career, he greatly preferred young boys first and foremost, but as time went on coupled with his legalities with these boys, the young boy era started to wane...maybe because he was forced to put a stop to interactions with them after the 2005 trial? So what was left for him to do?...go to the next 'best thing' that way he could continue to get his fix; even if it wasn't his young boy preference he could still satisfy his urges; something better than nothing I guess. Certainly his earlier years of loving young boys and his sexuality was disguised using various methods of 'cover ups' such as the so-called women in his life (beards), his sexual gyrating moves and crotch grabbing, insistence from family members that he was straight, marriage shams, etc. - all to make it look like he was not gay, but there is way too much convincing evidence that says differently. After the trial, I think his choice of 'boys' had to change because the trial put a 'monkey wrench' in his fun therefore he had to retort to young adult men rather than young boys as it was still a way for him to live his coveted lifestyle; since he couldn't get the young ones the adult young ones would have to do.
What I'm curious to know is, what does Micheal's children know about their dad's sexual proclivities? They seem to be pretty bright kids and as they got older surely they had to have thought that something was 'different' about dad and the company that he kept?? They may not have been in the room where his 'activities' took place, but they had to have known something wasn't right. I know this may sound sick and maybe far fetched, but I wonder if there was any chance that he molested his own kids in some way, especially his two sons?...I mean if he could sexually molest other people's children what makes one think that he wouldn't do it to his very own? And IF that is a possibility, perhaps his children didn't think that their dad's proclivities with preferred individuals was wrong or not normal...b/c according to him, there was nothing wrong with 'sharing your bed' as it was one of the most loving things you could do. Or he may have bribed them by telling them it was their little secret and that they could go to jail if they told, especially since they know that he went to trial for that kind of behavior. What do you think?
Desiree,
I realize this is on a tangent, but on my way home, something you wrote raised questions for me.
The quote:
"It's a misnomer, I think, that pedophiles are mostly straight; why aren't heterosexuals outraged by that?"
That's an interesting statement. But I've asked myself repeatedly why people really are actually more upset about little boys getting molested than little girls. It brings up ugly centuries of treating women as second-class citizens or even as just property. Are there any documentaries about child molesters sexually abusing little girls? There has even been media attention about women molesting boys. But what about girls? So far, the studies I have found state girls are sexually abused more than boys. If no documentary has been made, I have to question the social mindset that would create a documentary, such as "Chicken Hawk", but nothing about pedophiles who molest little girls. No child should experience something that traumatic, male or female.
Lady C,
Down inside, I have wondered the same thing about Michael's behavior toward his children.
Ladies
I have been watching this post and the comments with interest. One thing for sure,MJ surrounded himself with dark and shady characters! I must admit that I always had a feeling that Jason was telling a slither of truth, if not completely truthful. I believe that he and MJ did have fling, but I think it was just an opportunistic thing, they felt horny and so they did it! Whatever they did, I hope they had fun! I also wonder what Jason meant by "boring" when did he say this? Does Desiree intend to publish any if her chat with Jason, if not verbatim perhaps paraphased? It occurs to me that if Jason comes onto this site he will realise that Desiree thinks that MJ was a pedo and then he might not be so friendly! But hey we are all entitled to our opinion.
Jason and "Adrian" aren't the first to sell De Klein up the river and speak to the media.ece I came across a piece from a gent called Paul Gohransen who was one of Dr Klein's live in friends, I believe he is a masseur, he sold his story to the NE and Radar on line, if you google it you can easily find his story. I also came across his blog, I will post the link later. He tells a story about prescription practices and also MJ being sterile! Not sure how believable it is, but it went under the radar from the mainstream media. There are so many instances of MJ being seen with young men dating back to the 80's, even the Scott Thorson story seems believable now!
Suzy,
This information on Luka Magnotta is very interesting.
We are being unfair towards Jason, poor thing. If what he is saying is true, we aren't considering that MJ wasn't an attractive man at the time LOL. Jason is fat, yes, but he is a reasonably good looking boy... with a human face.
I wonder why he said it was boring... Since MJ was in his 50's, was a drug addict, had prostate issues, and depression... he had “all the numbers” to suffer erectile dysfunctions. Maybe they get randy, MJ “raised his flag”, Jason started the action, but somewhere in the middle MJ lost his erection and the poor guy felt like banging a potatoes bag LOL.
I'm sure Jason is reading your blog, Désirée. He should spill the beans.
Jessica, I've read the C. Andersen book. It's the most balanced biography of MJ, IMO. Taraborrelli wrote Peter Pan, even if his books contain interesting passages, and Darwin Porter made a rehash of other books but adding made-up information and quotes. He didn't list references of the interviews with all the people he quotes. His book is filled with racist undertones. He quotes people using racial slur on MJ, but I suspect is him who actually was expressing himself.
What Bob Michaelson told to C. Andersen is very interesting... also there is an anecdote of a well known New York actor who was caught by an employee in a compromising situation with MJ. Do you have a clue of who this actor could be?
I think you are right on MJ penetrating Brett Barnes, Désirée. He didn't was this active with other kids, however. I bet he was cautious and selective for obvious reasons.
I watched an interview with VÃctor Gutiérrez just after MJs dead and he said the Brett Barnes story was very sad (as hinting there was more than what was already been said) and that Mac suspended the footage of a film because he was in the hospital due to the damage MJ did to him... he mentioned bleeding, etc. I don't know if that is true, I hope not.
Perhaps he was a bottom when interaction with adults was concerned, but possibly the roll reversed when kids were involved, though I think he also could have convinced them to sodomize him. In both cases, he was reviving somehow the abuse he suffered... all make sense.
Len and Lady C.
I also have wondered if Michael abused his own kids. We tend to think that people who acts inappropriately in some instances, always acts this way, but it is possible too that he respected his kids and, even if in a twisted or egoistical way, loved and cared for them. I think MJ didn't lusted after every kid he came in contact with, so maybe he saw his sons simply as such. It's hard to say.
What I found more disturbing is the Cascios and Omer around them. Specially when they were adolescents. I get a bad vibe from them. Sometimes regular adolescents lack boundaries. Is a stage where people is experimenting and can be cruel and crazy... I don't know how to explain it in English. Plus, they were adolescents victimized by a paedophile.
It creeps me out when I see footage of Omer playing sort of sadistic games with Prince when he was a toddler.
Susana,
I agree with you, Chris Andersen's book is the most balanced. I think he was just showing the whole truth and the truth happened to be pretty ugly. I know the fans probably would think his book is hateful etc, because he says Mike was a child molester and that he was gay, but like I said, the truth hurts. But Andersen is legit and he chronicled Mike's music success very accurately and gave him credit where credit was due; he doesn't say that Mike wasn't talented. But LOL about Darwin Porter's book; that book is trash and I wanted to like it but it was full of lies. Like when he has anecdotes about Mike from Cher and Liberace and Sammy Davis, Jr., he writes it like a story and everyone knows that he wouldn't be able to have a word for word narrative if the incidents were only between two people! It's ridiculous. He said that Sammy Davis was like, when little Mike was leaving his dressing room, "Oh that kid is a fag but he doesn't know it yet." LMAO, so stupid. That book is so stupid.
I loved that Andersen was so methodical and listed all his sources and wrote the book well. Bob Michaelson was really the main one talking about Mike being gay and I believe every word. Michaelson said that everyone even his family thought Mike was gay, and that if someone was to ask, they all would have said Mike was into men not boys. He was just a very believable individual. I have no clue who that New York artist was but my first instinct is to say that is was Brett Livingston-Stone because I think the time period is right. But I don't know if he is gay or not.
Victor Gutierrez said that Brett was penetrated, and that Mac Culkin was too? Wow, Gutierrez sure is salacious, but I wonder if that's true. I know that there was a period when Mac was a kid that he didn't spend as much time with Mike and that there had been an incident I think where their dressing rooms were put together but Mac had them changed. I dunno. I believe that Brett Barnes was having sex with Mike because of Jordie Chandler's statements, Ralph Chacon's story, and Brett's own testimony, and the two social workers on that train back in March 1992 that heard strange noises coming from Mike and Brett's carriage. And I think Brett was/is in love with Mike.
Sarah,
Do you believe in what Paul Gohransen was saying. I mean he could be telling the truth about the drugs and all, but Mike was not sterile as the autopsy showed; they said Mike's testicles worked, LOL. But maybe this was antoher lie that Klein told people so that they would believe him when he said he was the father Paris and Prince.
I think that when Jason said it was a boring fling I think he may mean that it wasn't this storybook romantic rendevouz that the media was talking about. I think it could have been quick and pretty vanilla.
Desiree, I see that the fans are still having a bitch fit about your explosive proof post. When will they come into reality and see that Michael Jackson was not a womanizer, had no girlfriends (those were beards), and that his marriages were shams? He was a gay pedo, sheesh! Why do they deny physical evidence?
As a quick comment (before I leave others):
http://twitter.com/#!/search/explosive%20proof%20michael%20jackson
I don't have a twitter account but apparently people are still upset at the 'Michael Jackson was gay' post.
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Maybe it is narcissistic of me but I get one hell of a kick out of these fanatical drones who bash this blog. They hate the evidence; their ability to rationalize amazes me. I feel sorry for them.
Someone should do a research study on the brain chemistry of fans, Michael Jackson ones especially, since he has so many aspects of his character that they feel the need to cover up and deny. Something ungodly has to be going on up there...(if anything is 'going on' at all)
When will they get over it?
Desiree:
The only fact the fans still discuss it is simple: really they aren´t 100% sure Michael wasn´t gay. A friend once said me if the fans don´t believe he was gay but yet they still open threads talking about the subject, there are two reasons:
1-They think there are a chance that can be truth;
2-They do that for mocking.
But they don´t even mock Jason or Klein. They hate on them!
Their nerve for calling anyone ignorant. They believe Michael cannot be gay just because some straight porn and his strange marriages!
Susana,
Even if Jason was beautiful and elegant they will hate him the same. It´s not about him being fat/ugly whatever. It´s about him being a MAN. The fans just want a WOMAN no matter who. Once I read a disgusting thing, they wanted any woman, no matter she was or not Michael´s girlfriend, to dispel the gay rumors. Like "Of course we cannot know if she had been her girlfriend or not. But at least she could help it..." SMH
Bah Jason is more handsome than Lisa now. As a woman she´s ugly and looks like she was on drugs.
Dieter Wisener once talked about a MJ´s girlfriend who was ready to testify in his favor but she asked for money for that. Funny it seems there are always excuses for the "girls" keep private...lol
Good my curse is working. That kind of fans disgust me. The gay rumors still persist...though I´d like to know a different man now. lol
One more thing, I was seeing Klein´s wall some time ago, he wrote that note about Michael not being gay the 31 March. Some days after he deleted it. IMO it´s a signal he felt he wasn´t being sincere. Now as I saw he just maintains that Michael and Jason´s affair was fake and it´s very different from saying he wasn´t gay at all.
He´s lying at least on saying someone else sold the story. He knows very well he CLAIMED that.
btw I hope next year don´t come a story about Jason denying the affair himself...lol
Okay,that's three people so far that wants to know what did Jason mean by the fling being "boring"! Hahaha!!
Desiree:
The fanatic MJ fans are completely LOOSING it!!! When people desperately want to believe in something so badly, and in the back of their minds there is a tiny shred of doubt, they become defensive and very fearful...what they hope to be not true, could in reality be really true...people become scared of things they don't understand, can't make complete sense of, or the actual reality of facing the truth. This is the exact behavior these "fans" are portraying. People always poked fun at Michael Jackson; making comments about his eccentricities and how "off" he was...but have the "fans" ever considered how "off" they are too? I mean, think about it...with them like MJ, the elevator is not making its way to the top floor...Their cheese is sliding of the it's cracker!LOL They are in just complete denial over this man...sad to say. It's just too painful for the KOP to have been gay yet alone a pedophile; that's just not possible.
Suzy:
Yes, I agree with you...the fans just need any one female to say that they've been with MJ. It doesn't matter who...for all they care it could have been Janet Reno! LOL But even IF that were to be the case, don't the "fanatics" realize that a person can have sexual relations with the opposite sex and still be a homosexual...bi-sexuals can at least understand that. These people are sooo narrow-minded it's not even funny.
Susana & Jessica:
I too read Chris Andersen's book about MJ and I couldn't put it down...IMO it was that good! RJT's version is a Peter Pan Fairytale. Although there were some similarities in his book, Andersen does a more thorough,accurate and detailed job... you actually see the 'real' MJ without all the added "fluff". I do believe MJ was gay. According to Kenneth Choi's statement in Andersen's book, MJ revealed that he could never be with a female b/c they would destroy him. That particular statement spoke volumes to me. If that didn't tell you something, then I don't know what does...MJ was basically admitting that he did not prefer females. The "fans" cannot get this. Chances are they have not and refused to read Andersen's book (any excerpt of it or its entirety) because of what they will find.... it would just prove more that the "tiny shred" of doubt in their head could actually be true. They couldn't handle that...it would be too much like 'right'.
I am curious to know what Grace Rwaramba thinks about all of this? She's on FB, but is not open to everyone. It would be very interesting to see what she has to say about MJ, other than what she's already said about him. She knows A LOT about the KOP and I truly believe that. I know her relationship with the Jackson family since MJ's death had really taken a bad turn and they are painting her in a bad light. I just wonder, if push came to shove, and they REALLY pissed her off, would she start "singing". It seems that there are a lot of people who know some "privileged" information about MJ and are not talking. Why is that? With that being said, can any one of these people spill the beans about MJ without having any legal repercussions? We know that Michael made people in his life sign confidentiality agreements of all sorts, but now that he's gone, can they still be enforced? If they can't, why are people reluctant to speak out...the seems to be that they start out by dropping a bomb, only to back track it later.
Susana,
I started laughing when I read your scenario about Michael going "half mast", during his encounter with Jason. More than likely, it was because Jason wasn't a little boy. In true pedophilia fashion, Michael just didn't demonstrate an ability to conduct successful relationships with adults. The "mouthpiece" also still refuses to back down from the Grace-Michael story, even though I have said, "prove it." However, what does stick out were the words, "in the beginning." That genesis is from the early 90's. On the other hand, look how long he literally fucked Brett Barnes and Omer Bhatti. He didn't even try to hide them from the very scrutinizing publicly. And the rabid fans don't question this?
Suzy,
I, too, have wondered why people aren't asking why Jason would want to have sex with a man whose one-beautiful human face had been carved into something that would give people nightmares, rather than why Michael would want to have sex with Jason. I see nothing wrong with fat people. Jason is what is known in the gay community as a "bear." He's cute and cuddly.
Desiree,
Those links were so entertaining! I'm so glad you are flattered by such notoriety. Your link to the legal documents about the 14 items Messereau wanted kept out of court seems to be the one that gets their panties in a was, the most. No matter how much they spin it, the black-and-white print is still a thorn in the collective side.
I'm looking forward to your blog about Brett Barnes. He was definitely being fucked by Michael. Does anybody know where he is, today?
Where could I read Chris Andersen's "Unauthorized" book about MJ? I've never heard about it but it does sound interesting.
Eldefor,
You can get Chris Andersen's book, its called "Michael Jackson: Unauthorized" on Amazon.com for pennies. People sell it really cheap. Or you can look at your local library. My unversity had a copy, that's where I first read it.
Lady C,
The fans will not read Andersen's book. I saw on one fan site that when they heard the Chris Andersen had basically provided evidence that Mike was gay and that he most likely sexually molested Jordie Chandler, they were like "Well Chris Andersen is a pervert!!!11!!" LOL. They can easily call someone that is just digging and exposing the truth a pervert, but they are so quick to say that Mike's INSISTENCE on having young boys in his bed is not perverted! Wow, they are really losing it. I know that they call Desiree a pervert, a pedo, and maybe a front for a pedo organization as well. They can't even extent Michael Jackson the same level of scrutiny.
Len,
I don't know about the Grace/Mike relationship. I mean I believe that if he had a relationship with a woman she would be the person because she was always around him and took care of his children (men like that), but maybe the "mouthpiece" is wrong? I get the "in the beginning" thing because maybe at one time they were intimate in that way, but Mike was still having all those teen boys over his house and going on vacation with them. And you know Stuart Backerman said he never had any real relationships with when including LMP and Debbie Rowe. I'm not saying he and Grace couldn't have been together I just think that Mike liked men/boys only or primarily. When would he have time for her when he was honeymooning with Omer and Anton and others?
Suzy,
You are right. The fans only get mad because they have no real evidence that Mike EVER liked women. As Lady C said, that quote that Mike said "Only a woman can destroy me", showed he couldn't stand women and really that was his guiding principle. His whole inner circle was men; he surrounded himself with men, even having many gay men around him like David Geffen, Sandy Gallen, Arnold Klein, Marc Schaffel, etc. The fans know that Lisa Marie is their only hope at a heterosexual relationship but even she isn't specific about what they did. She isn't screaming off the rooftops that he was straight! And all the people who claim that Mike was straight all turn out to be either liars or embellishers. There is more proof showing he was probably gay than probably straight. Those semen stains don't lie LOL!
Thanks Jessica, I'll try to get it. Randy Taraborrelli's "The magic and the madness" wasn't bad but it was too fanfic for my taste. Also, either he was a crazy stalker and a fly on Neverland's walls or he could read MJ's mind. With some lines such as "He was alone in Neverland thinking about..." WTF? How did he know that? Anyway, I'd like to read an MJ biography from a more objective point of view.
Oh, and I wanted to ask you guys something, I've been reading this blog for a while now and I've seen some older posts but I don't recall seeing any post about MJ's own sexual abuse. I mean, reading the comments, some of you seem to be pretty sure that something happened to him, is there any kind of proof, testimony or something? Or are you just assuming that something must have happened to Michael to behave the way he did?
Jessica,
The fans never would read a book that had written Michael was a pedo, or gay or both. That´s because they wait so much for the bodyguards book lol.
Really, neither Lisa is able to defend her own marriage. I mean she always stated they had sex but if I was on her shoes, being married once to Michael and I believed the marriage was absolutely real, I would talk once Jason came out!! In fact some angry fans claimed that "Lisa Marie should´ve talk against that slim ball!" But all she said was calling the attention saying Michael´s tomb was empty and he loved sunflowers...lol
It´s so easy to say "oh poor girls, they want privacy, if they came out and say they were his girlfriends her world will change forever..."
Honestly...I was imagining one of them watching Jason on Extra. If she was really his girlfriend, how she would felt hearing Jason saying he had with Michael a sexual relationship?! God even if she didn´t want to be recognized, she could have write to Extra,TMZ, something! A picture with his face blurred... When Jason came last year, there was a rumor about a girlfriend of Michael who Debbie knew and she was ready to talk to the media...it had been a year. If they want the gay rumors to be dispelled they have to be smarter than that! I mean, the girlfriend rumors only appear after the gay ones? lol Remember when a tabloid claimed in 2003 or 2004 that Michael wanted to marry Lisa again? Right after Bashir´s documentary...Shana came out the same time.
I´d like that Jason talked to TV again. I´m curious to see if the bodyguards would "take action" again.
Jessica,
I have asked the "mouthpiece" the same thing. The "mouthpiece" has refused to back down but won't tell me how the information was obtained. Something to keep in mind is that the "mouthpiece" is actually a collective. Something part of the "mouthpiece" did was obtain very personal information about me, which I had never discussed with any of our mutual friends, and refuses to tell me how that information was obtained. I was creeped out and felt violated. It was if somebody had rummaged through my journals and dirty panties, while I was not home. So, how the information was gathered on Grace, I have no idea. About all I said it "prove it."
To Grace's credit, she has never said a word. However, regardless of whether or not it is true, it still does not proves Michael was gay, bisexual, or straight. Per the studies, Michael was a pedophile because he did not successfully conduct healthy relationships with any adult - male or female. Even if he did actually "stick it" in Lisa Marie, that proves nothing. Didn't she write a song about Michael, mentioning him masturbating?
When Neverland Ranch was raided, who was at the ranch? Underrage boys, such Omer Bhatti, who was in his teens, at the time. I can definitely see him having brief flings with adults. So, I don't discredit Jason's current version of the story, especially after what he told Desiree. But a full-on bonafide relationship? On the other hand, "mouthpiece" went into great detail about Michael's illegal activities with little boys. Given the stereotypes about gay people, I'm not surprised his own mother called him a "damn faggot."
When I read the comments about Michael from Gene Simmons and learned he'd had a romantic relationship with Diana Ross, it opened my eyes, and I took his words very seriously. To paraphrase him, he said no adult ever went public to announce, via any tabloid, he or she had been Michael's lover when he was alive. Nor did he hear of any adult saying as such, within the music industry, and said industry was well aware of Michael's little-boy problems. Did anyone ever see Michael on a regular basis with a woman or a man? But we can all name his "special" friends. In true pedophilia fashion, Michael thought there was nothing wrong with what he was doing, so he never bothered to hide the boys. What else does Gene Simmons know?
After rereading information about the-gay-vs.-pedophile studies, the psychology-of-pedophiles sudies, which gender gets molested the most, and then asking the psychologist and the gay people I know about all of this, I can't think of Michael as anything but a pedopile.
Ladies,
They´re talking again about the cocaine found on Michael´s underpants in 2003. You know what´s funny? As for the porn,for he fans it really belonged of Michael...but the underpants could have belonged to anyone from the house...HYPOCRITES!
I did dome research and found that gay men sometimes use cocaine on anus for reduce the pain...hum...
Thanks Jessica, I'll try to get it. Randy Taborelli's "The magic and the madness" wasn't bad but it was too "fanfic" for my taste. He was either a crazy stalker or could read MJ's mind. With lines such as "And he was alone at Neverland thinking about..." WTF? How the hell did he know that? Anyway, I'd like to read an MJ biography from a more objetive point of view.
And I'd like to ask you guys something. I've been reading this blog for a while now and I've read some of the older posts too but I don't recall seeing any post about MJ's own sexual abuse. I mean reading the comments you all seem to be pretty sure that something happened to him so I was wondering, is there any proof or testimony about that? Or are you just assuming that something must have happened to him to behave the way he did?
Oops sorry, I didn't see my last comment so I posted again lol
eldefor,
You are right about JRT's book, he added way too much narrative to be believable, to the point that it makes you roll you eyes at its ridiculousness. I especially can't stand that crap that he wrote about Lisa and Mike "sex life". Like he had to be there to know their convos about Debbie and getting pregnant. I think that JRT was paid to write some of that stuff. I mean he wrote all the Lisa stuff around 2003 so Mike was having child molestation issues. Sounds like a publicity ploy IMO.
Here's the link about Mike being molested:http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/2010/10/re-michaels-sexuality-was-michael.html
eldefor:
I purchased my Chris Andersen's book on Amazon, and like Jessica said you can get it now for much of nothing...you're in for a good read; it's a good book! Another book I may recommend if you're interested and have not read is, The Man Behind the Mask, written by Bob Jones and Stacy Brown. I have that book as well and it too,is very good and detailed...Let me put it this way, it's a book that the MJ "fanatics" definitely hate...so you know it has to be good! LOL! Speaking of Bob Jones' book, you asked if there was any thing on Michael Jackson's sexual abuse. Well, according to Jones in his book, Michael Jackson makes an "implied" statement to Bob Jones regarding his possible sexual abuse at the hands of his father, Joe Jackson. MJ doesn't come right out and say, "Yes, that rumor about me being sexually abused by Joe is true", but instead he says to Jones, "That rumor about my father, how do you know that didn't happen?" So he doesn't actually admit it, but he also doesn't deny it either. MJ's statement leaves Jones baffled...so go figure. That's the only thing mentioned about the abuse in the book. Jones really lets loose on MJ (although I think he could have gone a lot heavier - LOL!) and his secret proclivities with the many young boys he kept company with. But,I wished that he really "told it" on MJ, and I felt that he really wanted to but for some reason (sentimental I guess) was somewhat reluctant to do so; he was playing it cautious. A good indication of his hesitancy was when Jones was called to testify against MJ at his 2005 trial...deep down Jones KNEW that Jackson's behavior would eventually catch up with him and he was going to have to be held accountable. However, he couldn't find it in himself to be the one to help put his long time boss behind bars.
Again, If you've not read this book, it too can be purchased on Amazon for a reasonable price.
Suzy,
Where did you find the study, stating gay men use cocaine for the "opening act?" The gay men I know have always used poppers if they're not relaxed enough. Cocaine can cause a man's erect penis to become flaccid.
Lady C,
I finally read Bob Jones's book. I don't think he realized he made himself into a co-conspirator by not being forthcoming, at the trial. But I cut him a lot of slack because it couldn't have been easy watching somebody he obviously still cared in court, as he had warned him, years ago, would happen if he continued on his chosen road.
I wish Stacey Brown would write a book. He doe have all the information, which includes what Jermaine originally said.
Len/Desiree
What did Jason tell Desiree? Is there anything that can be shared here.
Len:
Please forgive me for being ignorant, but what are "poppers"? I currently don't have any gay friends and have no idea what they are. LOL Thanks!
Len:
I almost forgot, I too, wish that Stacey Brown would write a book...he has to know quite a bit about MJ, especially after helping Jones write his book. I have to admit that I'm still curious to know what MJ's ex-nanny, Grace, knows knows...As I said earlier in a previous posting, she still knows a lot more about MJ than what she has already told thus far...she was around the child/man and his children 24/7. Do you think she'll ever come out and say any more than what she already has?
Also, what about LMP? I personally don't think she'll ever write anything, but I guess there's nothing wrong about wishing. LOL I don't see why she just doesn't come right out and admit it that her marriage to MJ was staged and the "relations" were not what she said they were?? MJ is gone, and it is very obvious that he did not carry on adult relationships, especially with women...there's no really denying it. By her keeping silent about it and not coming clean, it only makes her look stupid and not credible. I mean,how long can she continue to keep saying the same thing over and over again while it becomes self evident that he was homosexual and never showed any genuine interest in a woman? Not to mention that shortly after the end of their relationship, she became bitter and dissed him any chance she got in public...the girl was hurt and probably humiliated...MJ used her. Her emotional conversation with Oprah (violins playing) was not sincere at all,IMO...she dogged him in public and all the sudden turns around and does a complete 180; please!! LMP is no fool and she ought to know that the public is no fool either....well that's if you're not one of the MJ "fanatics" that is!LOL
MJ's body guards are supposed to be coming out with a book about the KOP...I personally don't think that I can stomach the crap that they will say. That particular book will have BS written all over it.
Thanks for the link. How screwed up was MJ's childhood? Seriously, that family is in great need of group theraphy or something. If that's true then Mj's mental stage must have been even worse than I thought. No, it doesn't justify what he allegedly did but our childhood and life experiences in general play a great part in our future development. He didn't have to necessarily become a criminal but he sure wasn't going to to turn out a healthy normal adult.
By the way, I guess you guys know about the Glenda tapes (parts of them are on YouTube).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O49iXJYHx-k
I don't know whether or not they are real but it does sounds like him. He talks about Joe, his childhood, and well, some random stuff too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86HGk5xSzco
That video is part of a documentary called "Michael Jackson's boys" where the son of the woman who talked with Michael on those tapes (The boy was one of MJ's especial friends, surprise surprise...) talks about how they met and stuff. And you can hear a part of the tapes too. I don't know where to find it but the complete transcript of the whole conversation is somewhere. And apparently, at one point, MJ says that what Latoya told in her book was true. But still, I'm not sure if those tapes are real.
Desiree, do you have that whole documentary? Cause it's really hard to find. I've only seen some parts on YT but, since it's not what the fanatics want to hear, you won't find a trace of that documentary on any MJ's site LOL
Suzy,
When I said we are being unfair towards Jason, it was in jest. Fans don't see how Michael, after all the surgeries, resembled one of those figures on Goya Black paintings LOL.
This people is crazy. They make dead threats against this guy because he said he had sex with their Messiah. Dead threats!!! How crazy is that. All for a celebrity who they didn't know. And how could they be so homophobic, I don't get it. If at least they were fans of one of those womanizer macho rockers LOL, but his idol wore eyelashes, more make-up than a street walker, and acted like a cross between a nineteenth-century damsel and a drag queen on helium.
By the time of the second trial I've seen mentioned several times a phone conversation where MJ despised his fans. I think he was in Australia at the time.
This people can be really annoying chanting outside the hotels. Imagine how the other clients felt. They are quick to blame other people for his sleeping disorders, the pills, the propofol etc., but maybe they are the ones to blame for that LOL.
Fans are so stupid that they believe the “I love you more” and all the sappy rhetoric his idol feed them with.
A quick note: the media now knows that Michael Jackson had cocaine in his underwear.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/_news/1287475/Michael-Jackson-had-cocaine-in-his-pants.html
Jacko had cocaine in his pants
Shock dossier could clear star's doc
EXCLUSIVE by James Desborough, US Editor
April 30, 2011
A SECRET police file which reveals Michael Jackson had cocaine in his UNDERPANTS could mean the superstar's doctor Conrad Murray walks free.
Murray, accused of involuntary manslaughter, believes the bombshell dossier will convince the jury that the singer was hooked on drugs and responsible for his own death.
The police reports - from a child molestation investigation in 2003 - also reveal officers found 500 BOTTLES of prescription medication at his Neverland ranch.
The documents will play a key part in defending Murray, who allegedly gave the singer a lethal jab of the sedative Propofol.
Last night a source close to the case said: "These dockets are vital to Murray's defence. They help show the jury the depth of MJ's drug issues and how he may have never stood a chance of saving him."
The News of the World can reveal toxicologists reported traces of cocaine, along with a cocktail of other drugs, were found in two pairs of Jacko's Calvin Klein briefs when Neverland was raided eight years ago.
It is not known how they got there. He may have dropped it on his undies as he fought to get high - although some heavy users are even known to take drugs in suppository form. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff documents also reveal traces of painkiller Demerol, sleeping aid Promethazine, powerful headache drug Normeperidine and morphine substitute Meperidine were discovered in Jacko's pants. Tiny amounts of blood were also found - believed to be the result of a Demerol jab in his groin.
Cops found more than 500 bottles of drugs prescribed in the names of the star, staff at the Californian ranch - and even under aliases. Sedatives and anxiety drugs Percocet and Xanax under other patients' names were discovered in safes, cabinets, shoes, wardrobes, the playroom and toilet.
Murray's lawyers plan to call dozens of medics who treated Jacko over the last decade when the trial starts on May 9.
His team have also filed paperwork that the king of pop upped his drug intake during his final days as he rehearsed for the This Is It concerts in London. He even DRANK, mixed with orange juice, the powerful intravenous sedative Propofol - the drug which eventually killed him.
The source explained: "Jackson drinking Propofol sounds wild, but it is part of Murray's strategy to depict how Michael was an extraordinary addict. He says that bottles of the milk - as Michael referred to it - went missing during his treatment and he suspects that Michael would tip the fluid into his drinks to try and get high. The doctor claims that Michael took the measure after he refused to hook him up to an IV to administer it."
Murray's team hope the jury will decide Jacko may have jabbed himself with Propofol or overdosed on prescription pills prompting his cardiac arrest in June 2009. Defence lawyers want Sergeant Steve Robel, who led the Neverland investigation, to discuss his findings.
Excerpts from his report say Michael Laperruque, Jacko's former bodyguard, revealed the star was self-injecting when doctors were trying to get him off Demerol.
He was also popping up to 40 Xanax pills a night, would be driven by his bouncer to medics to get his hits, was smoking marijuana and a heavy drinker. Beverly Hills pharmacist Dr Raj Kumar said: "Jackson was a serial drug addict. There was no way for Murray to control this patient. He could easily argue he had no idea he was taking such large volumes of drugs."
Prosecutors want the judge to ban claims of Jacko's drug dependency. But last night our source said: "It creates an element of doubt as to Murray's guilt."
I know the Sun newspaper in the UK reported cocaine in Michael's underwear back in November 2005.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article192164.ece
You've got to wonder when they are going to report on the semen stains. God, someone needs to link that to TMZ; it would definitely bolster Jason Pfeiffer's story.
The fans would hate it.
But they need to realize that their idol was a drug-addicted, gay pedophile.
I should make an effort to give this stuff to TMZ. Come on, TMZ! When Murray's trial starts, all the ugly details of Michael's life will emerge and the fans will be gnashing their teeth then. What a glorious day that will be. A day of revelation...
It will be ugly for the fans and for Klein. Secrets can only remain secrets for so long.
I should add that Murray should NOT fall hard over giving a DRUG ADDICT drugs. It's insanity. He was always a drug addict. If it wasn't Murray, it would've been someone else.
Klein peddled all of that Demerol to Michael Jackson, who knows what other doctors were giving him stuff. But Murray has to fall just because he was the 'last one'?
It's like sending someone to jail for murder because they happened to be the one to inject heroin into a fiending addict who then died because their system was shot. I mean, it's sort of silly. They were going to die any way.
Allegedly, Jacko was using Propofol during his trial back in 2005.
Nevertheless, I hope the semen stains evidence gets big one of these days. Then, since it would prove Jacko was into guys, maybe they will reopen the molestation issues and connect the dots.
All hell will break loose for the Jacksons. Michael will never sell anymore music ever. It's a sad reality for such a talented artist but oh well...
Michael was not gay. He was a beautiful black man until the white media brainwashed him into thinking that he needed to look more white to keep the adulation which was rightfully his. Please don't add gender confusion to his list of eccentricities for white people to ridicule.
Gracie hunter:
Michael Jackson was gay and he was a pedophile. And he also was a self-hating black man. I don't think the white media had anything to do with it, although the global media wherein whites are held up as the ideal do inadvertently make blacks and other people of color feel bad about themselves when they have to be compared to such arbitrary delineations of what is 'good' and 'not good'.
Michael hated his black family and the already whitewashed images available ad Nauseam on TV or wherever he looked were just there for him to cling on to as escapism.
He was talented and he was a musical genius, but he hated blackness on his own. I cannot knowingly implicate the media in that. But, let's just say, it definitely didn't hurt that that 'entity', if you will, was there.
I personally think Michael loved to look at his deformed nose and his white skin and his flowing wigs in the mirror. I believe he thoroughly separated himself from his blackness. And his fans--many of whom are non-black--prefer him to look that way. It's a vicious cycle.
Desiree, stop being a tool of the white man. Why do you have to bring another brother down??? can't our beautiful black sisters ever stand up for our own??
You are all brainwashed by the White Devils. Open your eyes, and you'll see that we have been made to embrace all these other "minorities", so that we seemingly stand a chance against the rampant racist attitudes in this country which we willingly permit!
Len:
I think where you err--holistically--is in being politically correct. If we go by your argument in assessing pedophilia and homosexuality, then the dichotomy between gay partners isn't about sex (gender) but age. I've always been confused by this sort of contradiction by gays: on the one hand, when faced with the pedophilia issue, they say that homosexuality is between adults; however, they then label kids as 'gay'. Which is it?
I never stated that gays have a higher propensity for child molestation than other people. I don't think anyone on here has said something like that. I mean, that is just a silly notion; frankly, I don't know why people would say such a thing. However, I am not going to sit here and be politically correct because it is convenient to do so NOW.
I stand on several things with this:
(1) The history of pedophilia, which began, most notably, in Ancient Greece. Greek pederasty--the man/boy love that NAMBLA harps on--is the foundation of modern homoeroticism/homosexuality. Gays might flinch at that but it is what it is. Three words: know your history.
(2) The FBI report of pedophiles and child molesters by Ken Lanning. For better or worse, the DOJ and law enforcement are sometimes the best places to get unadulterated and politically incorrect information. Sure, we can all contextualize anything we'd like but the numbers are the numbers. Lanning clearly delineated that most pedophiles are gay; the truism seems to be: most pedophiles are gay, although most gays are not pedophiles.
(3) I don't believe in inborn homosexuality (it's yet to be proven that it's biological so, as a scientist--undergrad level, of course--I am not going to be swayed by warm and cuddly convention), which is why I don't focus on the sensitivities of gay people, regardless of how they feel about the 'uncomfortable' facts.
I see it pretty simply: if you are a male who likes males, you're gay; if you're a female who likes females, you're a lesbian; if you're a male/female who likes the opposite sex, you're straight. And, of course, this is all on a continuum where all levels of bisexuality fall in between.
Gays want to have it all played on their terms and I won't do it. I don't believe gays or lesbians are any more likely to molest children than heterosexuals, but I'd be damned if I didn't acknowledge the facts: most pedophiles are gay.
You can--and probably will--disagree with me on that but, and I'll say it, it's because you are being PC. The psychological establishment is totally PC. Psychology is a pseudoscience anyway but that these groups of 'head shrinkers' can arbitrarily decide what is and isn't really puts a damper on their credibility. I'm waiting for them to remove transgender and other psychosexual disorders from the DSM--that'll be the day no one respects that industry!
(cont.)
Len:
What you are saying is that semen on Michael's bed is not an indication of his having been gay. I can 'get' your logic in that you say that any adult lover--male or female--is only a rumor... but is it not reasonable to say that his being a pedophile just a rumor, a logical, reasonable conjecture, sure, but it's the same thing.
I merely stated that the evidence of semen meant that he was involved with individuals of the XY persuasion. Neither one of us knows the age of the depositors, so, all things considered, it would be hasty to eliminate either man or boy as possibilities.
Also, Jason is not the only adult male. If you read Christopher Andersen's book, Bob Michaelson, who worked for Michael said that no one would have thought young boys, but young men, since Michael always seemed to have a young man with him.
Semen in his mattress means one thing and one thing only: that he was with the male sex. And that is homosexuality. All I know is that Michael likes males; his book collection and his male-centric inner circle and the young boys--never girls--that he befriended 'specially' show he was only interested in the male sex.
I am sure you've heard of non-exclusive type pedophiles; that seems to be the case with Jacko. At this point, I honestly think he was interested in penis, pubescent and older. If he was this true-blue pedophile that you seem to make him out to be, I doubt he'd have sex with 'past their prime' Omer Bhatti, or Brett Barnes, or Frank Cascio, etc. because pedophiles aren't interested in 'older' partners.
Again, I think Michael Jackson just liked males.
Psychologists can engage in agenda-driven, politically correct sophistry when it comes to gays but the facts don't change: most pedophiles are gay; just watch the Chicken Hawk documentary. If anyone uses this to gay-bash, they are ignorant; it isn't a license to do such a thing. However, I will tell it to you straight: Michael Jackson was a gay pedophile.
You want to know why I 'choose' to 'perceive' Michael Jackson as gay? Simple: because he liked males, as the semen stains, the allegations, Jason Pfeiffer, etc. prove. He was a gay pedophile, emphasis mainly on the gay part.
I know, I know... I won't do any gay-bashing here because I have no issues with gays or people being gay. But my honesty and rationality will always supersede emotions. I cannot help that. Len, I think you are wrong on this and you refuse to see it. I have no horse in the race, so to speak, so I don't have to sugarcoat reality. And reality is hard for homosexuals; if we were all transported back to Ancient Greece, we'd all see the foundation.
By the way, 'twinks' are youthful-looking gay guys; another thing I won't sugarcoat: gays are more open than other sects of people to youthful companions without the creepiness factor attached. Generally, Western society is obsessed with youth but twinks are a prominent part of gay culture. Again, you've got to know your history: Ancient Greek pederasty--man/boy love--was the foundation of today's homosexuality.
All of this is behavior on a continuum; since gays have decided to delude themselves into believing that they should define themselves by behavior, they shouldn't be shocked that gay boy-lovers define themselves similarly and seek camaraderie in the gay movement.
Again, Michael was gay, a gay pedophile or a pedophilic homosexual, whatever is clearer...
Gracie:
I would never be in cahoots with 'white devils'. I find it odd that you mention 'beautiful black sisters'. I have my ways of knowing visitor origins, but it says you are from Southeast Asia. Perhaps it's ignorant but I didn't know black women lived in Southeast Asia.
By the way, did you find my site from SBPDL? That seems to be the indication here, too. If that's the case, I suggest you go elsewhere.
LMAO
Gracie:
Hm, I guess I can take your 'LMAO' in the affirmative, with regard to your place of origin and your lack of being a 'beautiful black sister'.
Instead of trolling here, Gracie, I think it'd be best to return to SBPDL or, better yet, evaluate why you go there in the first place. You see, I don't go there, anymore. So, it is doable.
By the way, your shrill screeds against 'white devils' ring conspicuously hollow...
Gracie,
I don´t know what Michael using to be a beautiful men has to do with him being or not gay. Just for your information he had gay rumours since the 70´s. That time he didn´t even use make up yet or had any plastic surgeries. Nobody thought that time he was weird so the gay rumours weren´t IMO for him looking bad.
And please stop blaming the media for his gay rumors. He did nothing to stop them.
Len,
Here is the link:
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sexandrelationships/analsex.htm
I know a good number of gay men who believe Michael was gay but not a pedo. As other who don´t know what he was and other who believe he was a pedo.
Your theories make sense but as I was saying to Grace, the gay rumours began long before the pedo ones. I know he had some children as friends already but as for the adult male companies, well he wouldn´t kiss a man in public right?
I believe he liked adut males a well, I´ve seen many pics of his last years and you can see he seemed more receptive to his contact with adult males.
Look that pics with Chad White:
http://zevents.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/chad-white-michael-jackson.jpg
http://deco-00.slide.com/r/1/140/dl/FJ2C_hGQ7z9RfnZoEwOa2clm1aUVYye_/item
His head is leaning towards his shoulder...lol
There is also a picture where he´s fixing Prince Azim through his shades, you can see his eyes towards him,Azim is fixing the camera, but I can´t find the picture.
Len,
I agree 100% with you on the fake stereotype of gay people being paedophiles.
I'm so sure this is a stereotype that I agree with adoption for same sex couples. In my country same sex marriage and adoption are legal. Homosexuals have the exact same rights than heterosexuals. There are homosexuals and transsexuals even in the army, the police... etc. There is a very progressive law on “sexual identity” too. I agree 100% with that.
But, I still thinking MJ was gay and a paedo. This have nothing to do with stereotypes, prejudices, etc. In MJ case, he was both.
Omer, the Cascios, are more than rumours. They slept with MJ when grown-ups. In the trial, I think it was Gavin Arvizo who mentioned MJ sleeping with Frank C. I don't think Omer, who was living with him as an adult, was there chasing unicorns with Mike.
Heterosexuality is acceptable for the “general public”, and if you are being accused of paedophilia when in actuality you are heterosexual, I don't get why you should hide and expect people to just believe in rumours. It's more understandable hiding homosexuality because of the stigma attached.
I could give you 101 reasons, but today I'm not in the mood for long discussions in English.
Len, my view is simple:
If you like a female and you are a male, you are heterosexual. If you like a male and you are a female, you are a heterosexual.
If you like a male and you are a male, you are homosexual. If you like a female and you are a female, you are a homosexual.
I think it's that simple. Homosexuality and heterosexuality is a sex preference, not an age preference. Nowhere have I seen a definition of these two terms include an age requirement. Society puts boundaries on what "age" you can legal have sexual relations with another person. Biology is more often not in step with what society sees. The US has arbitrarily raised the age of consent since its founding, so really it's a dumb notion that age is a factor in whether you can be gay or straight.
By your logic, Len, it seems to me that you cannot be a homo-/heterosexual until the government says that you are an adult. But as both gays and straights can attest, that is simply not true. Boys and girls know they are straight/gay when they are as young as pre-teenaged. So I'm not understanding why you are making an age requirement on what constitutes gay or straight.
I agree with Suzy, and I think you haven't researched into Mike as much as you maybe could have, but the gay rumors were long before the pedo rumors, eg J. Randy Taraborelli's book and Chris Andersen's book, among numerous tabloid and magazine reports. At the same time people claim that Mike had special friends, he also had people claiming gay lovers.
It's almost silly to assume that the semen stains are more empirical evidence that he was a pedophile than that he was gay. We know that semen is from males, more specifically teenaged and up. But we have no information about where its from, who its from and how old they were when the males deposited it. So really it's only safe to say that this is good evidence that he was having homosexual encounters. That's all we really know.
Furthermore, we also don't know 100% if he was a pedophile, we only have rumors. We were not there, so we can only go on what evidence that we have been given. Truth be told, the witnesses have credibility issues so we can only know up to a certain point if they are telling the truth, and that truth is partly based on logic and partly based on a gut feeling. That is why it is silly to say that the semen stains are better proof that he was a pedo, because you don't even know 100% if he was. It is safer, and more logical, to say it shows sexual activity with males.
Roman Polanski is a straight pedophile (if he really is one) because he is 1) a male and 2) he liked/likes girls the government views are underage. He seems to have had succesful relationships with adults, so does that not blow your theory of pedophilia away? I mean, you don't know him so you can't say for sure.
Also, why does Desiree have to be homophobic if she disagrees? That's fucked up.
I agree with Susana, Mike was both. The semen stains only prove that he was having homosexual relations.
Also, Len, you said to Gracie Hunter that we should listen to gays, watch their movies, etc etc. But what about talking to actual pedophiles, instead of inferring on how they feel by studies done by mental health clinicians and law enforcement? Read their books. Carl Toms seems like a rational guy, other pedos may be as well. Heck, they could even be nice people that are tax-paying citizens. Seems to me that the country of the Netherlands has forgone witch hunting pedos to understanding and being sympathetic to them. They don't allow adults and young people to have relations and not be prosecuted unless its agreed upon by the teen, the adult, the family and a social worker that the contact was not harmful or coercive.
I watched this documentary about an accused pedophile called "Capturing the Friedmans". He had pedo paraphernalia but he also was extremely loved and admired by his 3 sons, with whom he had an excellent relationship. In the same way that gays have been marginalized as being evil, monsters, etc., maybe you may find that not all pedophiles are evil people.
I think you should read child psychiatrist Dr Richard Gardner's book "Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited". He makes a pretty good point that if the sexual contact is not coercive, the child is not harmed. But he does say that for the most part children (not teenagers) are not mentally developed enough to appreciate sexual pleasure. But I have to agree with those that say the reaction to the "act" is more harmful to the child than the "act" itself. And I'm not talking about forcible molestation or rape, I'm referring to what Gardner describes as a non-coercive sexual encounter in which both parties are willing participants. All of this conduct happened in other countries and cultures of yesteryear and today, but only the West wants to now put a label on the person that does it. In one culture your behavior is normal and in another culture your behavior makes you a *insert metal illness*.
If I could just say one more thing about your arbitrary age requirement to be gay or straight, are the girls that swooned over NSYNC or Backstreet Boys or Elvis or even Michael Jackson, are they not heterosexual because they are not adults like the objects of the desire? I mean seriously you're criterion for homosexuality and heterosexuality is really bizarre.
I should also mention that Mike didn't have any child pornography save the two boy books they found in 1993. But he did have many books that feature nude adult men, some where the men are clearly lovers. I've seen the pictures, these are men, of age if you want to be specific. I think you haven't researched enough. Mike was gay, and the semen underscores this fact.
On Alex Constantine's blog, he talks about Michael Jackson and he does think he's a pedo, because of his research into Mary Fischer etc. The fans hate what he's said about Mike.
But on his entry about Ian Halperin's book "Unmasked" there was an interesting comment on the bottom that someone left that if true, could help understand Mike's sexual interests. He claims to have done research on Mike back in 1993:
"Brian N. Everett says:
March 4, 2010 at 8:57 pm
'Yes this is the truth, mostly…I worked for Melvin Belli, in 1993 on a project to discredit Michael Jackson, In the information we had at that time, it painted a picture of a child like man, that did not want “hard core” sex with kids, but only was tempted to play around with them,[not little kids, 13 and up] when a good looking young man was not around.'"
So basically he is saying that although Mike did have intimate contact with male teens that could be seen as being a pedophile, he was not primarily interested in children, but rather adult men.
http://www.antifascistencyclopedia.com/allposts/new-biography-offers-that-michael-jackson-was-attracted-to-young-adult-men
Word on the street is Klein is totally crazy, and suffering from some sort of progresive disease that makes him more and more crazy as time passes. He was on facebook this last weekend saying he was in London for the Royal wedding for 30 hours, and I have heard from someone he actually was in Vegas
Jessica,
It's not a question of the government saying you are gay or straight or bisexual. Pedophilia is an age-specific preference, as is hebephilia, I will add. I recommend reading studies. There really are a lot. DSM-IV is one place to start.
I actually have spoken to pedophiles. Every single one of them thought there was nothing wrong with fucking children and had no real interest in adults. Some of them had screwed adults. Some of them had been in longterm marriages. But the real interest was in children. This is why I regard Michael as a pedophile. I was planning on turning in one of them, but he wouldn't give me his last name. The others were already registered sex offenders.
I did look into the Rind Study. It was brought up with fondness by one of the pedophiles I spoke to. When I began asking questions, pointing out discrepencies in the man-boy relationships, when I asked if any of the people conducting the studies were pedophiles, and when I mentioned the studies countering the accurateness of the Rind Study, he suddenly disappeared rather than answer my questions. I would have genuinely liked those questions answered; that he quickly exited put up a red flag.
Insofar as gay rumors are concerned, they were definitely around, but so were his relationships with little boys. Rodney Allen Rippey has some interesting things to say. He met Michael when the latter was a teenager.
Michael is definitely a pedophile who definitely had sex with little boys. Perhaps we could also say he was a hebophile, as he did continue sexual relations with some of his "special" friends when they reached adolescence. There is too much evidence he was a "boy lover." The information I received was, unfortunately, volunteered from the inside, and the "mouthpiece" is a collective. That quote from Brian N. Everett sounds more like an excuse to cover up Michael's untoward behavior with underrage children. In fact, I find it appalling anyone would suggest a man would fuck a child if he couldn't have a man.
However, would you like me to bring some of the gay men I know to the forum? That way, we could have a discussion with direct input from the gay community.
Len,
I will say it again: If you like a female and you are a male, you are heterosexual. If you like a male and you are a female, you are a heterosexual.
If you like a male and you are a male, you are homosexual. If you like a female and you are a female, you are a homosexual.
I think it's that simple. Homosexuality and heterosexuality is a sex preference, not an age preference. Nowhere have I seen a definition of these two terms include an age requirement. Society puts boundaries on what "age" you can legal have sexual relations with another person. Biology is more often not in step with what society sees. The US has arbitrarily raised the age of consent since its founding, so really it's a dumb notion that age is a factor in whether you can be gay or straight.
You don't know if Mike was a pedophile beyond a doubt.
You don't know the age of the cum slingers.
You haven't researched into his life enough to make a coherent argument about what his sexuality can be. The gay rumors were before the pedo rumors. Everyone who actually knew him--not Gene Simmons--has said he's never showed the pedo side of himself. But many aren't sure if he was straight.
If you like cock and you have a fucking cock you are gay. It's Sesame Street shit. Who cares about age.
No one was even talking about gays=molesters. How said that? We were talking about Jason.
Mike was gay. Period. He had books of nude adult men (your definition of gay). He had no child porn.
Why are you so hell bent on being "Super Save-a-Queer"? Shit. No, I'm not homophobic to say queer. I have zero problem with gays: they can adopt, get married, served in military, live next door, be a schoolteacher, fly a plane, grow corn, eat a hamburger etc etc. But damn, why are you calling people homophobic if they disagree? You are being a little ridiculous about the age thing. Age ain't nothing but a number at the end of the day and I don't care who people do it with, as long as they don't hurt anyone and its not with animals. (Seems to be more of an outcry when teens and adults have sex than when people violate animals. Another day...)
Read the book. Watch the doc. Then maybe we can all go back to enjoying the copious research Desiree has done.
Sarah and Lady C:
If you are still reading the thread, I cannot tell you the specifics about what Jason Pfeiffer and Michael Jackson's 'intimacies' were. He has forbidden me to tell anyone the inner workings of their 'fling'.
However, it was physical and, like he said in his interview that appeared on ExtraTV, there was kissing involved. You can use your imagination, I guess, but I CANNOT reveal the details.
When Jason stated that their fling was 'boring', he is saying it in contrast to it's portrayal in the media a year ago. It wasn't a 'soulmate' thing. Perhaps it would be best to ask Jason himself about that specifically but he was basically saying it was fairly casual.
I am sure what you want to know is whether he is believable. The answer to that is a resounding yes. Could he be a skilled tattler? Possibly, but I like to think I am fairly perceptive.
Jason Pfeiffer was Michael Jackson's lover, one of many men, I assume.
Sarah, didn't you mention the PI who said Michael used to go to the Las Vegas Fruitbowl to pick up men? That actually jives with what Sandra Sutherland stated in Christopher Andersen's book, that they had talked to young men who stated they were essentially wined and dined by Michael in exchange for gay sex.
Suzy:
The pics you linked of Jacko with that guy make me think of his book 'The Chop Suey Club' starring Peter Johnson. Michael loved beautiful men.
Yes, why dont you all ask me... nitwits...
http://jasonpfeiffer.blogspot.com/
Jason:
Yes, I think they should all go to your blog and hound you with questions there. It would be better than asking a 'middle man' such as myself who has been bound to secrecy.
Just lay it all out on the table.
Len:
Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with age, it is a GENDER preference of one's self. Period. A person cannot say that they are not homosexual because the other person they are attracted to and/or having relations with is of a specific age. The age is not a factor at all; it's the gender that's a factor. It's like being pregnant...either you are or you're not; there's no half way point. Therefore if you're a male or female and like the same sex then you're a homosexual. Look at Rosie O'Donnell, Ellen Degeneres; they both prefer females over males...Sir Elton John, George Michael;they both prefer males over females. I'm curious to know; in your mind what determines the difference between someone who is heterosexual vs. homosexual? What is it about age that determines if a person is gay or not? Jessica had a good point describing the young girls that swoon over their favorite adult male star. I'm curious to know because your ignorance concerns me; I've never known anyone to think this way before...Please understand that this reply is not coming from a hateful standpoint by any means, but I'm just trying to understand how you've come to the conclusion that you have...IF what you are saying is true; which I don't believe it is, than I, along with most people have got it wrong as to what a homosexual is. Now, pedophilia does have something to do with age, and those individuals are unable to have relationships with adults; only with children...and that's who MJ preferred to have relations with for the most part, even though he continued to have relations with some of them as they got older.
MJ's semen along with other males was found on his mattress; that's a proven fact. Based on that fact, I think that it's safe to say the evidence indicates that he was involved in male sexual activity of some sort. It's like the saying, "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck." What Jessica said is right, we don't know 100 % sure if he was gay, but based on the evidence that's been presented and his long standing history of fondness for the male sex, it's a very good indication that he may have very well been homosexual. Question for you...What evidence would you need to be convinced that Michael was a homosexual if the evidence that Desiree has presented is not convincing?
Len (cont.)
When I think of MJ and look back on his "history", the very first thing that comes to my mind is that he had an unusual fondness for children; I think of age...and the very first thing that enters my mind is pedophilia...that stands out more than anything. The second thing that come to mind is that he had a fondness for males (even though most of them happen to be young boys);I think of gender...that makes me think that he must be gay. I'm almost certain to think that Gene Simmons, Quincy Jones and the 'mouth piece' more than likely thought the very same thing along these lines as well; pedophilia first, homosexuality second; even though they may have not have said it in that exact way...especially since you said that they didn't mention any adult male or female partners. Again this all goes back to the definition of what a homosexual is and what a pedophile is. Based on the evidence presented and what the public has seen of MJ, I think it's fair to conclude that he was a pedophile who was also gay. Bob Jones talks in his book about MJ,TMBTM, and he tells of how he saw MJ look into the eyes of these young boys and gaze at them like what a man looks at a women he's in love with...also, Ian Halperin, mentions in his book,"Unmasked", of how he was taken aback at the way MJ looked at him and placed his hand over his...Halperin got a very disturbing vibe from MJ that made him feel uncomfortable. This was something that Halperin actually experienced with MJ; not hearsay. Sounds as if MJ liked them all; from young boys to teenagers to attractive young men. Either way, I think it's safe to say that ALL signs point in that direction: pedophilia and gay.
O.o
Jason, is really you?!
The fans will stalk your blog! Be careful!
desiree i saw Jason out with a blonde was that you
Anon:
I'm not white so I wouldn't have blond hair. It could have been someone I know, though...
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